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Good to see you in on this Charlene!!!

Welcome Death Trooper!!!

I like that...it will allow those that have already purchased pouches to make the slight mod to make em work.

Thanks for the feedback Andry! I was in a back and forth info gathering session w/ Chef not to long ago on the strapping and other adjustments made to the TB crl. We are taking all the input and putting the official proposal adjustment together to present shortly (starting with Swamp Scouts and then working through the others). I appreciate the background info on the strapping decisions. That's an added layer of info I had not gotten from Chef.

I'm feeling both options Matt and Neal.

Is the issue with the pouches related to the center "strap" on the reference images and the nylon ones not having that distinctive part? As Matt said, can't that be a Level 2 distinction? The nylon pouches seem very close to me minus that detail...particularly the mag pouch.

You're on your way! L-Bracket looks great. Able to send a shot of the very bottom of the tank/backplate? I'd like to see how far back you were able to get it to sit. Look forward to seeing that paste smoothed out...I have yet to perfect a batch of that stuff lol.

Seyn Marana has been pulled from the Legion as a whole. She's a book character...not to be confused w/ Iden Versio the game character. Iden's CRL (the main game character) is still live. Hope that helps.

Yea man we will get it squared up. Appreciate the effort for sure! And again...that's all how I think I understand stuff...could be all wrong lol. There are a few more threads I want to go through for sure. I'm not a pro by any stretch when it comes CRLs or costume building...this one in particular draws my interest because...well...it's what I rock at nearly every troop I do.

I, personally, am trying to work through that as well. I recently had my permission upgraded (muahahahaha) so I can read through some of the past discussions on both of our scout options to get the history of the decision making both here and at the Legion level. Here's some of what I THINK (don't quote this as gospel...this is me piecing together what I am learning)...as always, I don't want to put words into people's mouths nor trample on the hard work people before us did (RESPEK HOMIES!!! lol), so any of the members who were around and actually developed these CRLs can definitely correct me if I'm wrong on what I think I'm understanding: 1) Spec Ops is well over 10 years old. Lots of things have changed in that time. How things were done then may not be (are def not) how they are done now. Overall, it's a very flexible situation depending on current LMOs and their interpretation of precedents (similar to our US court system lol). So to ask, "How did this pass?" really isn't a question with a rigid, simple answer. * For example, the 3 panel reference "rule" to my understanding has been held to tightly at some points in the Legion's existence and more loosely in others as technically it's not really a written rule but a suggestion for how an LMO should approach it. As LMOs change, the enforcing/interpretation of that changes. 2) Comic references, as they are drawings and artist interpretations, are not necessarily the rock solid reference we'd like them to be (again, how I'm reading things...don't quote this as truth). Due to this, there is some liberty to lean back to what we know for certain (those things that have appeared on-screen in film canon). * For example...the General Weir/Shadow Scout 2-pack comic shows Shadow Scouts with some noticeable differences from the movie TBs we see on screen. But then the figures included in the very same pack mimic the TB more than they do the comic version. This is where the grey area comes in involving comic-based characters and allows for more flexible interpretation of them into a CRL...this may also explain some of why the current Shadow Scout config is all-black...the best comic reference for that character was presented alongside an all-black version action figure representation...but that fig rep was more TB than anything leading to a sensible blend of the 2. 3) This stems from that last example...since action figures can be made in really any paint format (for example look at all of the different TK action figures out there or Boba Fett figs...none match perfectly even in paint jobs...allowing every paint variation would be chaos)...so for paint schemes, the precedent seems to be that when it comes to paint applications, we have leaned to the main references for guidance. Since the main comic pack shows an all-black scout (with a black lens), that's prob why it ended up as the go-to...maybe silver was allowed because the figure that directly accompanied that pack has a silver-ish lens. That's what I've gathered so far...at least to my understanding...and my understanding may change as I ask more questions and read more lol. That may not all line up with what we expect here in 2018...the Legion has progressed along way it seems since Albin Johnson first donned his TK lol...but there was def thought and a process followed (it wasn't just a random slap-it-together party)...the process evolves, devolves, etc. I think that's my biggest takeaway so far...esp. in regards to comic characters, there is no "set in stone 10 commandments of CRL writing"...just precedents that blend what we see with what makes sense. Hope that helps a little as I am pretty much just thinking out loud here.

Correct. And since ur backplate has the protruding area to support the tank, u really shouldnt need to do the L-bracket...that part serves the same function. The greeblie rivet and the bottom rivet should b sufficient to hold the tank in place methinks. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Posted your pic to FB and IG as well mate! You're famous now lol!!! Keep trooping it and sending in your best pics for us to show off!

I did the L-bracket method for the top of the tank that Ken mentions...just position the tank where you want it and mark it w/ pencil...cut the slit in the center of the back where the tank top would sit...glue and rivet there (no glue needed around the edges...after you rivet the bottom it will be solid).

Nice shot! Saw it on Twitter. They had you running point!!!

ROFL at your story lol. Doesn't sound like this experience will even come close to resembling your Wicket/Chewbacca trauma . I don't know much regarding DTs...but it seems like you have your stuff sourced out pretty well. Andrew is a garrison-mate of mine here in Florida...have only heard (and seen) good things regarding his work. I know there are other makers out there as well that others can name drop as well if you decide to go the purchase route instead at some point though it seems you've done your research well. LEGGO!!!

Nice cut man! When I got this issue in the mail, I nearly wet myself...we made it onto an official piece of Disney work lol!!! Not a full-360...it is artwork...but it shows the resemblance to a TB more than some of the older references...plus this one gets the Disney-approved stamp I'm going to stalk more Marvel employees and see what they can do to squeeze us in more issues lol. Yea paint def differs by brand...I'm simply referring to the standard broad definition which as you said would be matte being flat (no sheen). I mostly brought that up to clarify that the term "satin" is/was being used as if it they are the one and the same as "semi-gloss" (technically they're not but they're daggum close...pardon my southern). The intent in Chef's forum convos wasn't meant to sneak in a different color basically. The CRL reads semi-gloss...peeps (he) understand that to be satin. Still..to avoid confusion, adding the vocab isn't a bad idea. I'm going to keep reading up in the next week or 2 and will pop in when anything interesting arises.

I commend you for going for it. Good luck man!!!

There should be some more (though prob not too many more...my favorite is Darth Vader #17 cover by Kaare Andrews...who confirmed to me it's a Shadow Scout and not a silhouette lol...official Disney canon canon canon???). Iz will get em updated fa sho. Just an update here on my end...I did reach out to Chef as the pinned Specialist requirements he worked on (in 2015) here in our forums... http://forum.501stsp...t-requirements/ ) ...don't align w/ what's on the 501st hosted CRL completely (not counting the most recent Lancer TB updates). So that's something to look into as well. This actually applies to the Swamp Scout Specialist CRL as well (which is actually split into diverging "realistic" vs. "artistic" paths) here... http://forum.501stsp...t-requirements/ So I've been hunting info on why the discrepancies. Maybe we can consider doing a similar split on our Shadow Specialists? Or maybe that was already in the works w/ the Storm Commando in the unapproved CRL section? So I haven't been ignoring this discussion...just reading and gathering info. Only last bit of input from Chef I gleaned...in the quotes you found referencing satin vs. matte by him...it seemed to me that nearly all mentioned satin...none used the term semi-gloss...and only one used satin/matte combo. Satin does have a sheen to it (making it a closer cousin to semi-gloss)...that's a pretty standard paint progression. Matte has no sheen...can be interchanged w/ flat. With permission to quote him, I asked Chef what his original thoughts were...basically said that he is using the term "satin" interchangeably w/ "semi-gloss". Hope that clears up some of the semantics there and why satin isn't in the CRL as of yet but it's mentioned so much here (by him)...it's being used synonymously with semi-gloss. If separating the 2 in specific wording is necessary, I'm up for it. That said...once you go below satin/semi-gloss, you are in the realm of "no sheen" which I guess is a separate discussion (and will prob go back to whatever precedent is in place regarding use of action figs which is where the alternate paint jobs are coming from). We will work through it no doubt. Let's keep plugging away

Legit!!! Spec Ops drill sergeant???

Thanks for doing some leg work here Ken. I'm sure Antje and Steve will chime in... Regarding paint sheens...I do not believe "matte" (which is more synonymous with "flat" correct?) is the sheen you're seeing troopers use. The majority of troopers are doing either gloss (typically from the original pull of their plastic) or satin...which is a closer cousin to semi-gloss. I remember this being a distinct question during my build and Chef clarifying the paint sheens with me. Matte was never mentioned in those convos...only satin, semi-gloss, or gloss. I'd be interested to see the "why" behind some of the TB adjustments (mostly so I can learn lol) particularly regarding strapping measures for level 2 and required measures being added for velcro in spots for basic approval...most of those seem a copy/paste your suggesting here. I'ma hop over into the BSN and take a peek this week (rhymed that like a rap star boss baby!). The only other thing that initially catches my eye in the proposals...the action figures as references (I can't make out much from the Titanium figure) have a different holster than what we currently use altogether. They have straps around the entire exterior of the boot. This leads me to what Steve mentioned in a separate thread about "perfect world" diverging CRLs. Do these fit within the CRL that was created off the previous references or no? Thoughts? Definitely interested in your feedback as well as some of the other CRL writers and our fellow scouts.

Attaboy Dennis! Lookin good bro!

Haha...puedes hacerlo boriciua! enviame fotos esta noche. or put updates on that helmet here and we can take a look.

cmon carlos you can do it man!!! you're close!

Gratz! Looks great. Some great Spec Ops in your area to troop w/ as well.

Very cool. I love the breather. As far as name...the game does specifically list it as a Magma Trooper (which threw me off as well when I first started playing cuz I'm used to the red version being named that as well)...but Magma is what the game designers labeled it so I dunno.