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Armor color seems set. Scarf. Personally, I say include it if that's the majority of looks. Collar. "High mandarin collar" does seem best after looking up the terms. Reinforced pants look good to include. Clear to specify the color of the hoses as "black?" That only really leaves the following in my mind: Serrated buckle. @areilly @amcclary Just to clarify for me, is the main concern that these accurate buckles are currently difficult to find and/or will be potentially more difficult to find in the future? If so (or if they are coming from one supplier), I think we should consider it as Level 2 as well though I, to my core, prefer the accurate buckles. Shins. I cross-checked the Shoretrooper CRL for wording (yes, I know they are not exactly the same as the Mud)...here is the SHORETROOPER text: Shins Cover Strips are raised as beveled with a added layer strip on top. Greaves close in the back. The trapezoid shin plate (sniper knee plate) is affixed to the left greave. The “T” shin plate is affixed to the right greave. A harness style buckle greeblie attached to the outside edge of the upper shin plate. A ski boot style buckle greeblie is attached to the outside edge of the lower shin plate. Straps extend from each buckle, and the inner side of the shin plate. The straps may have a gap in the back of the shin or extend around the shin in one piece. Shins are tan with moderate weathering. The yellow text is what we can look at (the non-yellow doesn't apply) in comparison to what we have written. Possible that some continuity would be beneficial? Here I do not see the shin bend listed in the Shore CRL either...looking at our references to the Shore CRL model, I'm trying to determine if that's unique to the Mud. Thoughts?

Gathering my thoughts...looks like we need to come to a consensus on the following: Armor color (I'm good w/ how we have it currently written) Serrated buckle as basic approval item Shin bend Tunic collar language Scarf addition Pants/pockets An additional item I wanted to bring up that was in the original proposal but got lost in editing is the color wording of the hoses...initially written up as black. Thank you for all of the input so far and @Blackwatch for doing the initial edit. The yellow text on the chest plate I believe is just a delete, but let's look back at the sections we wrote in the previous thread to make sure. Once we can discuss and decide on all those items above, I believe we just need to reorganize the pieces to have a better "order" to them.

Whew...that pack section is a doozy. I want to read through it a few more times w/ fresh eyes to make sure it makes sense. I would suggest we all do that.

Yea looks good. I was going to mention the comm mic...but that's in the optional, so we're good so far as I can see.

Luck wished!

Proposal thread unlocked for final review. @Scubacat @izzi @Blackwatch and all members input welcome.

Good catch. Thank you! You guys have all been tremendous in helping out w/ feedback and discussion. I would like to say thanks. I have unlocked the proposal thread here for final review and cleanup: https://forum.specops501st.com/index.php?/topic/6015-new-crl-proposal-mudtrooper/ We need to go every detail with fine tooth comb and make sure the CRL is clear and accurate. You guys already know that, but just a reminder because at this stage it may become easy to get ancy and start to rush through it. Thanks again!!!

Text moved. I believe we have covered everything...hoses were consolidated into the respirator section rather than having their own. Unless anyone has anything further to add, I will unlock the proposal thread for final review.

Correct...which by the way I believe we are done. I just need to move the stuff over (now).

@JAFO Anything that is specific to Han only will need to be removed. So I will take out "red square." Yes, the torch would be an optional. How are we looking here? Helmet An open-faced, flared helmet which consists of a dome with rim and helmet skirt. A telemetry unit is attached to the right side of the dome and is aligned just above the rim. The lower end of the telemetry unit sits out from the helmet to allow the goggle elastic to feed underneath. The telemetry unit consists of a rectangle box with detailing that should match the reference image. The telemetry unit is in the same color as the helmet. The telemetry unit may feature a tied length of elastic bungee cord, approx. 4-5mm in diameter, looped around the outer upper section. A rubber trim covers the edge of the helmet rim with the join made at the rear center of the helmet. Metal/silver Imperial code disks are positioned on both sides of the helmet skirt. These may be weathered. Disks DO NOT feature grooves or a notch. The helmet has a polystyrene inner liner consistent with that of a skate or bike helmet. The helmet is to be painted in olive green to match the armor. The helmet paint finish may be textured, and is moderately weathered. When worn without the respirator, a black chin cup with tan webbing strap must be visible. Tan webbing should be lightly weathered. Optional: TORCH TBA Goggles Goggles shall have an aged chrome frame with detail painting, and weathering to match reference. The knurled nose bridge adjuster is brass in appearance. Goggles shall have a trim around metallic frame. Trim shall be rubber or foam. Goggles have dark angled lenses featuring two flat panels per lens. Goggle Strap features two sizes of elastic - 38mm and 50mm. The goggle strap features a number of buckles: • Serrated slide buckles on each side of the goggles through which the 38mm elastic is threaded. • A large buckle greeblie on the lefthand side through which the 50mm elastic is threaded. This greeblie features a beige square. • Two black plastic tri-glides on the right rear through which the 50mm elastic is threaded. Respirator The respirator is large enough to cover the wearers’ lower face, and is wide enough to extend to either side of helmet. The respirator has a ‘mouth’ which features a curved bottom, short curved vertical sides and arched top. The mouth is painted matte black. The mouth features seven vertical cut-outs in the top center. The three center lines shall be equal length and run from the top of the mouth to the middle. The next two lines on either side step down in size incrementally. Metallic mesh similar to reference photo is visible through the cut-outs. Two rubber breathing hoses, approx. 30mm outer dimension, connect either side of the vertical cut-outs. The hose extends over each shoulder and connects to the hose connectors located at the top of the back plate. The respirator features two rounded tusks that extend either side of the mouth. The end of each tusk features a filter. The filter consists of a raised center ring and three branches connecting the ring to the outside of the filter. In the center of each filter is a Hex socket cap screw. Filters are aged chrome in color, with outside edges slanted inward. Metallic mesh similar to reference photo is visible through between the branches of the filter. The respirator shall be painted olive green and moderately weathered. Above each tusk is a gun metal colored buckle through which 3/4in (19mm) tan webbing straps are fed. Each strap connects to a metal snap hook. These hooks are used to connect the respirator to the neck strap. The neck strap consists of a length of 3/4in (19mm) tan webbing with metal D-Rings sewn in to place. Tan webbing should be lightly weathered. The respirator can be worn to cover the face, or suspended around the neck of the wearer.

Some questions/feedback below. I really feel like I'm overlooking something going through these parts for some reason and have already reached out to Izzi and Torri. That could of course just be my mind playing tricks on me lol. See in yellow. Helmet An open-faced, flared helmet which consists of a dome with rim and helmet skirt. A telemetry unit is attached to the right side of the dome and is aligned just above the rim. The lower end of the telemetry unit sits out from the helmet to allow the goggle elastic to feed underneath. The telemetry unit consists of a rectangle box with detailing that should match the reference image. The telemetry unit is in the same color as the helmet. The telemetry unit may feature a tied length of elastic bungee cord, approx. 4-5mm in diameter, looped around the outer upper section. A rubber trim covers the edge of the helmet rim with the join made at the rear centre of the helmet. Metal/silver Imperial code disks are positioned on both sides of the helmet skirt. These may be weathered. Disks DO NOT feature grooves or a notch. The helmet has a polystyrene inner liner consistent with that of a skate or bike helmet. The helmet is to be painted in olive green to match the armour. The helmet paint finish may be textured, and is moderately weathered. When worn without the respirator, a black chin cup with tan webbing strap must be visible. Tan webbing should be lightly weathered. Goggles Goggles shall have an aged chrome frame with detail painting, and weathering to match reference. The knurled nose bridge adjuster is brass in appearance. Goggles shall have a trim around metallic frame. Trim shall be rubber or foam. Goggles have dark angled lenses featuring two flat panels per lens. Goggle Strap features two sizes of elastic - 38mm and 50mm. The goggle strap features a number of buckles: • Serrated slide buckles on each side of the goggles through which the 38mm elastic is threaded. (I'm getting posts mixed up in my head now...but this is the one where only Han has the red square you referred to?) • A large buckle greeblie on the lefthand side through which the 50mm elastic is threaded. This greeblie features a beige or red painted square. • Two black plastic tri-glides on the right rear through which the 50mm elastic is threaded. Respirator The respirator is large enough to cover the wearers’ lower face, and is wide enough to extend to either side of helmet. The respirator has a ‘mouth’ which features a curved bottom, short curved vertical sides and arched top. The mouth is painted matte black. The mouth features seven vertical cut-outs in the top center. The three center lines shall be equal length and run from the top of the mouth to the middle. The next two lines on either side step down in size incrementally. Metallic hexagonal mesh is visible through the cut-outs (see below regarding hexagonal mesh). Two rubber breathing hoses, approx. 30mm outer dimension, connect either side of the vertical cut-outs. The hose extends over each shoulder and connects to the top of the backplate at the hose connectors (add this?). The respirator features two rounded tusks that extend either side of the mouth. The end of each tusk features a filter. The filter consists of a raised center ring and three branches connecting the ring to the outside of the filter. In the center of each filter is a Hex socket cap screw. Filters are aged chrome in color, with outside edges slanted inward. Metallic hexagonal (Andrew suggested removing the hexagonal...I feel like I agree w/ that...but open to thoughts. Hexagonal could make an L2 requirement possibly fo rgreater accuracy) mesh is visible through between the branches of the filter. The respirator shall be painted olive green and moderately weathered. Above each tusk is a gun metal coloured buckle through which 3/4in (19mm) tan webbing straps are fed. Each strap connects to a metal snap hook. These hooks are used to connect the respirator to the neck strap. The neck strap consists of a length of 3/4in (19mm) tan webbing with metal D-Rings sewn in to place. Tan webbing should be lightly weathered. The respirator can be worn to cover the face, or suspended around the neck of the wearer.

Added new reference pics to original post. Still learning the new forums, but maybe @nanotek can help me get them sorted and organized a little better in there.

So just to clarify my own sake (which sucks at multi-tasking)...we are left with the pack pretty much to solidify this up?

I agree Andrew. Level 1 needs to have the look...specifiying exact parts/vendors will paint the CRL into a corner (that's why we don't use the exact base boot for scouts for example anymore...can't really find em). The optional items seem to be so diverse. I agree, we can lock in the basics and knock out added extras later...maybe even options after we've launched the CRL base. I will take a look through all of the edits tomorrow morning and see if we can finish up this weekend so we can shift to the final review. Also going to get @Scubacat and @izzi extra eyes in on everything to give everything a fresh look at what we've come up with before we send it through.

To my knowledge, FO Finn has not been allowed in the 501st though it has been presented, as he is a "good guy" ultimately. Likewise, we don't see CRLs for Stormtrooper Luke or Han. If that's the precedent, I don't think Mudtrooper Han will be any different.

Yea I think Sapper makes more sense to me. The gear for these guys is specifically intended to blow things up...and I do think confusion can occur between the 2 engineer names. My 2 cents anyways.

Color changes noted @amcclary. Updated and moved into the proposal thread. We will review everything...with color being a primary focus...soon once we finish these last pieces. On to the helmet/goggles.mask/hoses. Here is the original proposed text we need to review: Helmet Open face helmet whose base consists of a dome with rim and helmet skirt. The helmet skirt is to be smooth all around with no indentations on the rear. A telemetry unit is attached centered to the right sides of the dome aligned to the rim. The telemetry unit consists of: Rectangular box with a slight bevel and details on. The box is in the same color as the helmet. 1 screw cap or cylindrical knob in the upper left corner. 2 cylindrical pins lined up in the lower left corner of the box. 1 cylindrical pin in the upper right corner of the box. 1 telemetry unit main detail (Revell V8 carburetor) aligned at the lower right corner of the box. [*]A rubber trim is covering the edge of the helmet skirt and forehead of the dome. [*]Imperial code disks are positioned on both sides of the helmet skirt. [*]The helmet is to be painted in olive grey. Helmet is moderately weathered. [*]When worn without the mask, a black chin cup with tan strap must be visible. Goggles Goggles shall have an aged metallic frame with detail painting to match reference and black lenses. Goggles shall have a trim around metallic frame. Trim shall be rubber or foam. Goggle Strap is black elastic, with large buckle greeblie on left side, two “figure 8� slides on right rear. Mask Mask is respirator style mask, wide enough to extend to either side of helmet. Mask has an indent at mouth. Indent shall have a long flat bottom, short vertical sides and diagonal tops. All corners shall be rounded. Indent has 7 vertical cut outs in the center. The three center lines shall be equal length and go from top of indent to the middle. The next two lines on either side step down incrementally. Hoses connect to the bottom corners of the indent. Mask shall have two rounded “cheeks� to which filters attach. Mask shall be painted olive grey and moderately weathered. Mask shall have two 3/4� straps that run from upper outside corners and run through a 3/4� compression slide buckle that sits on the corner between the area under the eyes and the mouth cover. Filters are aged metallic in color, with outside edges slanted inward. A raised center ring and three branches connecting the ring to the outside of the filter. Hoses Black Ribbed Rubber Hoses with approximately 22mm diameter on each end and enough length to attach from top of back armor to mask, leaving enough slack to match reference pictures

Taking in all of your feedback, here are the edits in yellow w/ an option for level 2 added in blue. The wording of "pill" seems acceptable to me...but I put elongated oval in for now (though it seems unnecessarily wordy to me personally). I did not use the term "slot"...the term seems to be more of a jargon term used in design by armorers as opposed to more common terminology used in other CRLs. Hope everyone is ok w/ that. Anyways...give it a look over...leave your feedback (and if none, saying that is also helpful so we know we can move on). Thanks team! Chest Plate Chest Armor matches visual references. Accurate shape/design to front of chest. There is an indented area around the outer edge of the center flat section. Buckles attached to upper chest plate. Shoulder straps are affixed to the chest plate at the buckle. To the lower left side of the center flat panel is a recessed area angled inward from top to bottom with a raised rectangle greeblie and a recessed horizontal elongated oval. Left of the recessed area is a raised square that extends from the center to the curved side of the armor. On the top left side of the raised area is a raised oblong detail that protrudes outwards. Chest and straps shall be painted olive grey and be moderately weathered. back plate and tubes. Back Plate Back Plate has a collar that extends upwards and tapers to the chest plate. Chest and back plate meet at the sides. 2 hose connectors located at the top of the back plate approximately centered above each rectangular cutout/greeblie. Back has two large cut out recesses with vent details and greeblies inside. The walls and floor the recesses shall be olive grey. Each recess has different and specific set of boxes inside to match Rogue One backplates. Bottom left features a smaller rectangle cut out with the left side stepped. The floor of the cut out shall be black and the walls inside match the olive grey color of the armor. Half circle indent detail beneath the backpack section must be present. There is a long thin raised greeblie positioned central and below the 2 large recess. There is a small raised circle greeblie positioned central and below the above named greeblie. There is a raised slot on each shoulder for the straps to fit into. Shoulder straps are olive grey with moderate weathering and are affixed to the chest plate at the buckle. Black fabric or leather loop drop down from the bottom of the back plate through which belts must pass through. Back plate is olive grey with moderate weathering. Optional: The hose fittings are angled forward, and approximately the same size as the hoses.

Yea…I'm ok w/ having my wording corrected for sure. A brother ain't too proud lol. But seriously…I like that wording better than my original…marinate on it and see if it can be more clear even still.

Gratz on the approval!

Can we pull a hyper-closeup that would give us a better idea of material for the drop down? I'm a visual guy...can you show me what you're referring to for the slant on the recessed chest area? THANKS!

This shot, the packs look to be the same material as the TD's. That's what we will roll with.

Looking at the refs...the strap (and the decorative part you're talking about) seem to be for the pack straps, not the suspenders/harness. That 4th ref pic w/ Junber ordering a TD and 2 running sappers...the 2nd face on one you can see the strap and it going under his arm while the suspender is below that and goes down to the belt.

First question...no we haven't lol. Second...yes I think so. The loose interpretation bit refers to the actual layout of the pack components themselves (not the material) if I'm not mistaken. More of reference to what we've been discussing regarding the pack configs.

My wordsmithing here may need some cleanup...the additional greeblie in the center of the backplate is currently not being proposed. I left some ?s to address and possibly kick tot L2. Let's get it! Chest Plate Chest Armor matches visual references. Accurate shape/design to front of chest. There is an indented area around the outer edge of the center flat section. Buckles attached to upper chest plate. Shoulder straps are affixed to the chest plate at the buckle. To the lower Left side of the center flat panel is a recessed area with a greeblie installed to match reference picture Left of the recessed area is a raised square that extends from the center to the curved side of the armor. On the top left side of the raised area is a raised oblong detail that protrudes outwards. Chest and straps shall be painted olive grey and be moderately weathered. back plate and tubes. Back Plate Back Plate has a collar that extends upwards and tapers to the chest plate. Chest and back plate meet at the sides. 2 hose connectors (functional or no?) located at the top of the back plate, one off-centered to the left and one off-centered to the right. Back has two large cut out recesses with vent details and greeblies inside. The walls and floor the recesses shall be olive grey. Each recess has different and specific set of boxes inside to match Rogue One backplates. Bottom left features a smaller rectangle cut out with the left side stepped. The floor of the cut out shall be black and the walls inside match the olive grey color of the armor. Half circle indent detail beneath the backpack section must be present. There is a long thin raised greeblie positioned central and below the 2 large recess. There is a small raised circle greeblie positioned central and below the above named greeblie. There is a raised slot on each shoulder for the straps to fit into. Shoulder straps are olive grey with moderate weathering and are affixed to the chest plate at the buckle. Fabric (?) loop drop down from the bottom of the back plate through which belts must pass through. Back plate is olive grey with moderate weathering.