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My word isnt gospel on this but the precedent has clearly been that those characters who aren’t truly Imperials and are just in Imperial costume (disguise) dont become CRLs. Jyn, Finn, Storm Han/Luke the biggest examples. Another lesser known lesser screen time example would be flipped up mask bearded biker scout (Nik Sant or...Captain Rex lol). So I would say doubtful a separate specific CRL is accepted. However, if the gun was on the field and used by a guy posing as a Mudtrooper...then I would say you could at least make a case to include the blaster as an optional accessory. It was clearly a weapon that was acceptable for Mudtroopers to use (albeit our evidence is a fake Mudtrooper). Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

id prefer that as Level 2 if everyone is ok w that Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Can make those minor edits later. I am in contact w/ @Morizhara (Stephanie) to check her and squadmates' @darthcashman ability to update to CRL draft. Should have that sorted in a day or 2 so we can decide the next step forward. Thanks for everyone's contributions to this point and patience.

Currently, no.

Edits reviewed. Tidied up just a couple other minor typos as well. At this point (unless there is any other info or feedback to be added), we are at a holding phase until we can provide pictures for the CRL reference images and CRL model.

Edits made to grenade location/strap, TU alignment, and E-11 flashlight location. @areilly Can you clarify what you're saying regarding the patch? We currently have the patch w/ no mention of material for Level 1 and PVC as the stated material for Level 2. Lastly, in case I don't hear back from @darthcashman regarding being the CRL model, do we have (or know of) anyone else that can step up to provide the pics? We are at a point where that will stall out progress until we can submit pics w/ this proposal to the LMOs.

I would change this to “aligned with the rim” - the bottom edge appears to be right on or very slightly below the top of the rim. “Features a beige or red square” - Han is seen with a red one “Imperial cog patches are textured vinyl material” - the Anovos ones are labeled as vinyl, and mentioning texture to differentiate between the flat printed vinyl patches used on some of the OT uniforms. an addition to the grenade section to mention the attachment location and strap: ”Grenade is attached via a strap looped through or attached to the right shoulder buckle. Strap is attached to either side of the grenade’s center greeblie with loops around the shaft of the grenade and closed with snap buttons.” Next two in the E-10 section Change to left side I’m not seeing the central cylinders in any of the images, just the outer two with one off center pin in the middle area, so leave off the 2 smaller central cylinder. Thanks. I will adjust tomorrow. Only adjust we will not do is the Han specific red square. This CRL will be for standard MTs as “Hero” characters are not typically admitted into the Legion (ie Stormtrooper Han). Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I forgot to mention...in order to finish our submission to the LMOs we will need to include photos. I would like to extend to @darthcashman , as he provided the initial write-up proposal, the opportunity to model the Mud Trooper for the CRL provided the parts of the costume can meet the final CRL submission. @Morizhara if you read this prior to him, could you please pass word. I will send a PM as well. Since we would like to get this done sooner than later, if he is unable to provide the photos, we would be happy to open the opportunity up to someone who can provide the pictures matching the CRL accurately. Almost there folks!

I read it through 2 more times and made some minor edits...nothing major. I also did some rearranging of the items to something that makes more sense in terms of progression. I would like to see a couple more people read it through if possible. THANKS!!!

@Blackwatch Sorry to confuse. I was asking if the tab read "Sapper" in the comic panels themselves.

The back pad looks good indeed. The V cutout is acceptable? That would be my only question.

1) Updated blasters. Look it over @areilly and make sure I have the right info in there on those. 2) @Blackwatch updated grenades and bandolier. Give that a look over. 3) I adjusted patch for Level 1 and 2 on the tunic. 4) No addition of the fish hook detail on biceps. If all of the above looks good, everyone please do one final look over. Check grammar, check punctuation, check measures, check colors, check it all and make sure we are set and haven't overlooked anything. FINALLY, let's arrange the items in a nice order and we will be set to hand this over to @Scubacat and the LMOs.

@TX-15293 They have that black square pad looks like. Only go to the wrist?

Heading to Legoland, so can only brief (sorry)... 1) Blasters. Check. I or @Blackwatch will sort that on the original post ASAP along w/ the grenades and bandolier. 2) Fishhook...let's keep it out of Level 1. Would we like to add it as a Level 2 detail? I feel we should but I'm open-minded. That said, if we do keep it even at L2, we may need a clear pic of that detail for the CRL model (or at the very least a Level 2 help guide here on the forums). 3) Patch Insignia. @JAFO the patch on standard MTs is unseen because they are always wearing shoulder bells that cover it correct? The "hero" characters are not our baseline for this particular CRL, so I'm with you on that totally. My initial assumption though would be that if a couple MTs (Han, Val) have it, the rest in the Imperial Army would as well as a standard uniform piece. So in that regard, I understand what @Aircool is saying. Now...if we have evidence in our references that standard MTs absolutely did NOT have the patch, then I would be on board w/ removing it entirely. My last questions on this (if we end up keeping it)...patch is PVC correct? Make the material of the patch L2 and leave L1 material open-ended? Agreed we may be nitpicking these final few minor details but that's what happens at the end I suppose.

10-4 regarding patch insignia. @Blackwatch work your magic buddy!

Tab. I would concur...no English text. Strictly Aurebesh as that's what we can see. Does it actually say Sapper? Not to open a can of worms...but that patch shape doesn't seem to match the shield currently being used for IATs. It's more "arrowhead" in appearance to me.

1) Fish hook detail on bicep. I don't see it. Any closeups of refs available? 2) Bandolier clarification. 3) Blaster options. E-11 or E-11B? E-10 and E-22 correct?

@Blackwatch Are you able to edit my original thread post? I believe you are. Just checking...I want to verify that I'm understanding @izzi correctly. Biceps (not the optional medic bicep), adjust Level 2 requirements to specify the colors we have listed OR something comparable (we are currently missing the "or" statement). Correct?

Fixed belt box count. Added oiler pouch.

I also totally forgot to add the line about black foam to the black plate. Doing that now.

Understood. I looked through our current ref pics and can't see the pockets. I think specifying them as not being visible is reasonable.

Im confused. What do you mean by this? @Blackwatch read it through. Seems good. This is what I'm thinking on all of that pack combo stuff. It's super complex lol. I think we are right on the combos and descriptions. That said, I think we may need to do separate non-CRL photo models of each type of combo (esp for the L2) as a resource for troopers here on our forums to see (similar to what MEPD does w/ their sandy arrangements). That would be more on our end (assuming the LMOs are ok w/ our presentation of the pack arrangements).

Original CRL post updated at top of thread. Please review items in detail (including punctuation/grammar/etc.). There is alot of text (which makes for alot of room for error), so please double check EVERY SINGLE measurement and color reference in particular...that they are the correct number and wording...and are consistent throughout the CRL where applicable. Scarf added. Shins updated (review). To address some previous questions from much earlier in the discussion that we never really discussed: 1) Gloves. We will keep them as a requirement. 2) Biceps. Fish hook detail. Need to review. 3) Tunic. Material specified is L2. Additionally, patch has no material specified. As it is L2, I feel we can specify the material (PVC). Will update if no issues. 4) Boots. Marking them as not vinyl or PVC is currently listed as an L2 requirement. 5) Optional items. We need to finalize optional pieces and arrangements. Appears there was some discussion as to additional pieces beyond the 3 currently listed. In particular, there was made mention of a bandolier, grenades, and blasters. Need to complete. Final stretch folks. Then we will arrange the order and submit. Thanks!

Absolutely. That was always the plan. It seems we are agreed then on the buckle. I (when Im at a pc) or Blackwatch will make those adjustments. I would like some feedback on shin continuity w the Shoretrooper. Yay or nay (see above)? Verifying there are no qualms to label the hoses as “black” in color? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Noted. Thank you. Are there any objections to this? If not, we can draft it as our original proposal that we send to the LMOs. They may accept it...they may not (at which point we would revert back to the serrated I assume).