Blackwatch

my thought is to use something like a T bolt and slot to go into, like door security chains.

The pack is, for a lack of a better term, gorgeous. Im really impressed by how well it looks. Im looking forward to the L2 as well, this is so cool! Thanks for the work you put into this, its paying off!

first page updated to include goggle text which was missing previously I am unable to edit the size of the word "goggle" becasue Im not getting the full editor, just the in line editor.

I would add a aluminum reinforcement plate and use a hanger system to mount it. Maybe Velcro would work depending on how heavy it is

First page proposal updated to include L1 with a discreet frame and L2 with a hidden frame. That moves us out of using old ALiCE backpack frames. Neals pack has a discreet frame, it's there but you don't really notice it.

I can easily swap" hidden "for " less". A simple strip of plastic would do the job for the L2 requirement.

i feel ya. Im two cans in on my Army trooper. MG sells different spray nozzles to give different effects, so its worth a try. Also clean the spray point of the nozzle with windex each time you put it away--acrylic drying in the tip is a real problem even in airbrushes. I also warm my can up to get that last bit of volitle pressure to push that paint out.

CRL Swamp Trooper proposal 1.1 The CRL Team has proposed changes to the current Swamp Trooper requirements. Please take a look and feel free to discuss the changes. CRL Swamp Trooper Required Costume Components Special Notes: The armor is gloss, semi-gloss, satin or matte green and may be slightly weathered to look as if white is showing through with minor scuffs/dirt. Armor is made from one of these (or similar) types of materials: Fiberglass ABS (Acrylonitrile Butadiene Styrene) HIPS (High Impact Polystyrene). [*]Soft parts may be slightly weathered with scuffs/dirt to match the armor. [*]Blasters are not required for legion membership per our weapons policy. The following costume components are present and appear as described below. New image Helmet For 501st approval: Eye lens is dark green. Helmet has scout detailing in black. Visor bolts a blue-grey. The Snout is grey with black details. Licensed helmets are acceptable with modifications: any deformation of the helmet shape (helmet flare) is corrected. remove the manufacturer logo. replace stock lens. replace inaccurate "fish-hook" logo. replace stock bolts with flat-disc "elevator" bolts. replace inaccurate aerator. repaint to match armor. [*]Fan-made helmets are acceptable as long as they remain true to shape of original screen accurate helmet. For level two certification (if applicable): Details are the correct color and placed as shown. Film-accurate black scout details are present, either painted or decals. They should be contrasting the rest of the helmet. Film-accurate grey snout detail and black aerator with accurate parts, mounted onto a plate and painted a contrasting black to the armor. Film-accurate black squared emblem located on the left faceplate "blinder". Film-accurate helmet snout/aerator detail, mounted onto a plate and painted black/ grey to the helmet. Film-accurate black rear helmet "bar code" striping pattern. Film-accurate three black lines on center of forehead area. [*]No mesh material mounted in the ears. [*]Properly shaped ear holes are installed. [*]Black 3M bolts or replicas of in the helmet. (Visible bolt head diameter of 22mm). [*]No visible seams on the dome. [*]Optional: Chin cup. Existing image Balaclava For 501st approval: A balaclava is a black head sock/hood that is worn under the helmet and is used primarily to hide any view of the wearer's skin and/or facial hair. Existing image Flight Suit For 501st approval: The undersuit is a one or two-piece black textile suit, such as military flightsuits, motorcycle racing suits, industrial work clothing (Dickies), or similar suit modified appropriately. Stand-up collar which conceals the neck and with enclosing strap to keep the collar closed. Must have a suede or faux suede butt flap attached above the waist hidden by the cummerbund, rectangle in shape. The flap is slightly narrower than the width of the trooper and stop slightly higher than the bottom edge of the troopers backside. Suede or faux suede thigh patches must be present, extending over the flight suit crotch and down the front finishing above the knee armor. The thigh patches must be secured by 50mm (2") black elastic, sewn in under the front and back of the thigh patch. See the Scout Trooper Flight Suit page for detailed images of the patches described below. Suit must not have any visible labels, logos or zippers (including built in flight suit pockets). For level two certification (if applicable): Suit is fairly fitted and not baggy. Real black suede square/ rectangular butt patch attached to flight suit at the rear under where cummerbund will sit and resemble those seen on screen, size will adjust slightly from scout to scout, but correct scale must be noted, no external visible stitching. Size will differ slightly from scout to scout, but correct scale is maintained. Existing image Shoulder Armor For 501st approval: Black Elastic is used to secure the armor around upper arm. They do not have any adornment. For level two certification (if applicable): Armor is secured around bicep with a 12mm (1/2") black elastic strap. Bottom corners are rounded. Optional: Affix top of shoulder bells to shoulder bridge loops. Existing image Upper Arm Armor For 501st approval: Armor has a recessed area with a "t-bit" detail attached within. Black elastic is used to secure the armor around upper arm. For level two certification (if applicable): Film-accurate "T-bit" detail is mounted to armor. T-bit circle detail piece faces forward on each arm. Armor is secured around the arm with a 35mm ( 1.5") black elastic strap. Existing image Forearm Armor For 501st approval: Black elastic is used to secure the armor around forearm. For level two certification (if applicable): Armor is secured around the arm with a 25mm ( 1") black elastic strap. Existing image Gloves For 501st approval: Black leather and gauntlet length. Detailed gloves include: Black suede or faux suede patches on top of the middle finger, index finger, and thumb. Four tightly spaced ribs that span the knuckles. [*]There are no labels/logos, clips, or external straps. For level two certification (if applicable): Real black suede leather padding on fingers and inside of thumb and correct gauntlet stitching. New image Vest For 501st approval: Made out of black, matte finish, heavy weight cotton fabric. Sleeves are padded and contain ribbing similar to the front of the cummerbund. The sleeves are just slightly longer than the bottom edge of the shoulder armor. Vest has a much wider neck opening than the flight suit. Secured at the back using 50mm (2") black hook and loop fastener. For level two certification (if applicable): The vest is separate from the flight suit and cummerbund. Existing image Chest Armor For 501st approval: There is a recessed rectangular area present over the right breast that may be painted black. The chest and back armor join together over the shoulder and the gap covered with a loop of green fabric. The sides of the chest armor are attached to the back armor with black webbing or elastic. For level two certification (if applicable): Shoulder bridge covers, covering the join between the front and back of the armor, are made of black cotton webbing. Nylon webbing is inaccurate [*]Side under arm chest/back straps are made from 40mm (1.5") black webbing or elastic strap. Underarm connecting straps from chest to back are made from 40mm (1.5") black webbing or elastic Existing image Back Armor For 501st approval: The back armor has a center tank attached. The top of the tank is flat with a detail piece painted black. Top detail piece uses the same greeblies as seen on the seen used armor. Top detail piece is painted full matte black. The tank has a black stripe detail. Optional: Additional "rank indicators", present on the right side of the tank, can number between 0 to 6 stripes. For level two certification (if applicable): Back and Tank must be two separate parts, no single part back/tank plates will be admissible. Only 1, 4 or 6 stripes on tank are acceptable. Bullet tank on the back armor has film-accurate greeblie tank topper detail. Tank topper is a separate greeblie to the tank itself. Tank topper is secured with single black colored rivet in the center of the greeblie. Rear tank has properly placed pin striping and a single bottom attachment green rivet. Blinking lights or LED's on the bullet tank are not acceptable. New image Cummerbund For 501st approval: Made from matte dark green, heavy weight cotton fabric. Closes in back with 50mm (2") hook and loop fastener. Extends from just under the chest armor down to the waist. There is no gap between the belt and cummerbund. Has a tapered cod section with inverted curve sewn in detail (not chevron). Made from the same material as the cummerbund in gray color that matches the snout. [*]Connects between the legs to the back of the cummerbund by a 50mm (2") black elastic strap. [*]Front of cummerbund has 5-6 equal ribs stitch, centered between the two fabric pouches according to wearers size. [*]ribs are of equal width. [*]ribs are completely visible between the pouches. [*]pouches are mounted to touch the chest armor. [*]pouches slightly overlap the belt. [*]Pouches are made of matching dark green fabric. For level two certification (if applicable): The cummerbund is separate from the flight suit and vest. There is no visible external edge stitching on the bund, the cod or pouch flaps. Bottom edge of the pouch flap must be less than half the overall width of the pouch. Pouch Size to conform to individual size; should fit in gap between chest armor and belt with minimal overhang. Codpiece must conform to shape pictured in the CRL or Costumes book. Codpiece must not have excessive bunching around groin area. Optional: codpiece is separate from the cummerbund and attached to either the vest or the undersuit. New image Belt and Detonator For 501st approval: The front and two "boxes" of the belt are made of hard material. The remainder of the belt that fastens at the back of the waist, is made from a textile material (webbing). Hanging from the sides of the belt are hip boxes (drop boxes). Drop boxes are green and also made from plastic. Drop boxes are connected to the belt via dark green textile straps. [*]Attached to the back of the belt is a green rectangular thermal detonator box with short black corrugated hose. [*]The correct thermal detonator greeblies are attached to the box. [*]The rectangular part of the thermal detonator greeblie, fixed on the left side of the detonator, is the same as used in the rebel Endor trooper rank badge. [*]On the right hand side is the same round greeblie as used on the Scout tank topper. [*]See the detonator detail page for a close up image of the greeblies. (check these links for direction) [*]The TD box is secured by one single black tie wrap, with side buckle to fasten belt hidden under the box out of sight, or velcro fastening attached with 50mm (2") black cotton or nylon belt secured each end of the belt with a single black rivet For level two certification (if applicable): The belt is made from a one-piece construction with no visible gaps, and not separated with fabric in between sections, apart from at the back where the TD box sits. Making any joins in a 3 part belt seamless, is highly recommended. The straps to attached the drop boxes to the belt are made from 40mm (1 1/2") black green cotton webbing Nylon webbing is inaccuate Drop boxes hang at the correct distance from the belt [*]The TD box is secured by one single black tie wrap, with side buckle to fasten belt hidden under the box out of sight, or velcro fastening attached with 50mm (2") black cotton or nylon belt secured each end of the belt with a single green rivet [*]Thermal Detonator end caps to be concave and not flat. [*]Optional: Thermal Detonator must have visible black clips attaching it to the web belt, as seen in the film. [*]Optional: Thermal Detonator tube to be wire wrapped and not ribbed tube. Existing image Knee Armor For 501st approval: Knees are gray to match the snout. Black elastic is used to secure the armor around the leg. For level two certification (if applicable): Knee armor has two elastic straps: The first is 25mm (1") wide and passes through the bottom of the knee armor. The second is 12mm (1/2") wide and riveted to the top sides of the knee armor Rivets are in green color New image Boots For 501st approval: Green marine vinyl which is not too glossy in appearance. Slightly textured vinyl is acceptable. [*]The soles of the boot are black. [*]A "dog bone" shaped strap covers the bridge of the foot. [*]The boots are secured up the back using 25mm (1") black hook and loop fastener. [*]The calf of the boot rises to just slightly underneath the bottom of the knee armor. For level two certification (if applicable): The boots have slots cut into the heels and toes as seen on the references. The boot sole is a single black color with no visible stitching. Boots that are constructed too wrinkled (i.e not stretched/fitted correctly prior to gluing) or poor in appearance will be refused. Boots made using the "boot tutorial" (available on BSN.net) are the only boots accepted. Existing image Holster For 501st approval: Attached to the outside right side of the right boot with black rivets. Not straps. [*]The blaster pistol fits into the holster For level two certification (if applicable): Attached with four green colored rivets. There is no rank striping visible. Optional Accessoires: Existing image Neck Seal For 501st approval: Black with horizontal ribs, fitted to the wearer, and extending from the base of the neck to the top of the Adam's apple. For level two certification (if applicable): May be worn, but is not required. Existing image Hold-out Blaster For 501st approval: Flat or semi-gloss black. Blaster does not have any visible trigger. Blaster is lightly weathered. For level two certification (if applicable): The scope has lens discs cut into the scope for a more realistic appearance. No decals representing cross hairs or similar. No drilled barrels. The screen used ones did not have drilled barrels. Kenner toy blasters, modified Kenner toy blasters or resin recasts of Kenner toy blasters are not acceptable due to the fact they are approximately 10% larger in scale than an accurate style blaster.

I have already completed the Shadow Scout Proposed CRL changes, and this dcoument is very similar in most regards with minor differences. CHANGE LOG: Version 1.0 proposal above Version 1.1 proposal below, with suggested edits / changes/ corrections in red and green.

Here are my changes, based on both Weir and the Swampscout and TB : [*]Properly shaped ear holes are installed. replace installed with present Film-accurate snout detail and aerator with accurate parts, ..... contrasting black to the armor. duplicate statement Side under arm chest/back straps are made from 40mm (1.5") black webbing or elastic strap. reword this to Underarm connecting straps from chest to back are made from 40mm (1.5") black webbing or elastic. Swampscout has the TD end caps written into the CRL as a L1 item. Flat for L1 and Concave for L2. No end caps at all for L1 here? [*]Optional: Thermal Detonator must have visible black clips attaching it to the web belt, as seen in the film. I would strike all of this , it is CC&P from the TB databank and does not pertain since this is art-only. Knee Armor For 501st approval: Knees are gray to match the snout. WAIT-----WHAT?????????????

I have my paper copy that is all marked up and highlighted (printed from the published CRL PDF FILE) , as well as the actual CRL open on the page and I am reviewing differences, similarities and looking for the issues I see in the Current CRL. CHANGE LOG : Version 1 at top of page remains unchanged. Version 1.1 below highlights changes and edits in red and green.

I went through this one at work on hardcopy. Ill check it in a bit.

While we're at it @Tarrif can we update the resources link in the Army section? That also needs a redo with current info.

After CRL team discussion about the colors represented on the pack, I will be changing the explosive colors to "black" in all cases. After further discussion we will include the pack frame as an L1 Option, with a frameless pack as an L2 option. SO-please disregard the text above which states "primer grey". The first page CRL proposal is updated.

Way to go!!!

The pack text needs to be pared down still, but this side shot really helps with proportions.

Neal is the top edge of the pouch on the top edge of the belt or below it? My bottom charge is colliding with the pouch.

OK- to cut down confusion, Im reposting relevant images here, cropped for clarity. Ill also repost the proposed CRL as a direct copy of of what is on the front page. This is where the CRL proosal stood at last May. WARNING - THIS CRL IS PENDING APPROVAL AND REQUIREMENTS THEREIN ARE SUBJECT TO CHANGE Updated 5/9. Please review and post your thoughts for CRL Team consideration. Required Costume Components The following costume components are present and appear as described below. Appearance For 501st approval: Should be clean shaven as seen in the comics. Hair should give the appearance of being short in length. Hat, Olive For 501st approval: Fabric is a medium weight suiting material of olive green. Base of the hat is conical, with a crown about 4" (101.6 mm) tall. Front and rear “flaps†overlap on the sides and are about 4" (101.6 mm) high. Front bill extends 3" down, decorated with (5) (6) or (7) concentric stitches. Imperial Code Disk positioned in the center of the front vertical “flap.†For level two certification (if applicable): Code Disk has a notch detail on the outermost disk. Green Imperial Jumpsuit For 501st approval: One piece olive green coverall / jumpsuit / flight suit with a front invisible zipper and mandarin collar. Each shoulder has an Imperial Army patch that sits about 1 inch below the shoulder seam Below the patch on each arm there is a small pocket with the rectangular flap closure that ends just above the elbow. 2 large chest pockets. There are no leg pockets below the knees. 2 large cargo pockets sit on the outside of the legs from around mid-thigh extending to around the bottom of the knee, with a rectangular flap covering the top. For level 2 certification (if applicable) Mandarin collar is closed by a chevron shaped strap across the neck. Collar is closed by a rectangular piece of velcro. Stitching is visible from the exterior. Imperial Army Patch For 501st approval: A shield shaped patch. The patch has an Imperial cog symbol approximately 2.75 to 3 inches in diameter. The background of the patch has a more narrow shield shaped design on top of a box colored a darker shade of green. Imperial Rank Bar Rank consists of colored plastic tiles mounted on a metallic finish square Rank bar corners are hard angle or slightly rounded. The rank of Lieutenant (2 red tiles on top of 2 blue tiles) is the only acceptable rank. Gloves For 501st approval: Black, wrist length gloves constructed of a non-textured leather or leather-like material. Enclosed fingers. No buckles, straps, etc. May have three stitched lines or square padding on the back of the hand. For level 2 certification (if applicable) No buckles, straps, etc. Must have square padding on back of hand. Web Harness For 501st approval: Olive green colored, double strap "H" harness which travels from the lower back, and up over the shoulders. Harness is made of 2 inch black nylon webbing. The harness system attaches to the belt. Visible snap-hook style fasteners that attach to belt eyelets are acceptable. Tri-glides may be present on front or back of suspenders. Back of suspenders may be permanently fastened to belt, but not required. Left suspender has a comlink clip/holster. Right suspender has a vanity pouch attached. For level 2 certification (if applicable) The main body of harness fasteners are discreetly hidden behind the belt, or it is directly mounted to belt Harness is fitted to the wearer and no tri-glides are present. Comlink is present. Belt For 501st approval: Belt is a 2.25" wide nylon military style quick release web belt. Belt is olive green in color. Belt has grommets that run along both the top and bottom of its length. For level two certification (if applicable): Belt buckle is olive green in color. Belt Pouches For 501st approval: Belt pouches are olive green in color and should be made of nylon or similar material. 2 rectangular pouches with a top flap, and strap from top to bottom securing it shut, sit to the right of the belt buckle where the harness meets the belt. A gas-mask style pouch sits on the right of the above pouches. A tactical triple AK magazine PALS belt pouch should be on the rear of the belt. An electrobinoculars pouch sits on the left of the belt buckle where the harness meets the belt. 2 rectangular pouches with a top flap, and strap from top to bottom securing it shut, sit to the left of the electrobinoculars pouch. For level 2 certification (if applicable) Electrobinoculars are present Boots For 501st approval: Calf high black leather or leather like material. Jackboot or similar style Free of laces, decorative stitching, buckles on the instep or any other embellishments. Boots may have a single adjustment strap at the top outside of the boot, with the buckle no wider than 1". This need not be functional Zippers on the inside of the boot are acceptable, so long as they are concealed. If the zipper is not covered by vinyl/ leather, it is painted black. Optional Accessories Items below are optional costume accessories. These items are not required for approval, but if present appear as described below. Comlink For 501st approval: Imperial Style Comlink to be worn in the comlink clip on the left suspender. Electrobinoculars For 501st approval: Scratch built or high end prop replica. SE-14 Blaster Pistol For 501st approval: Scratch built or high end prop replica. Holster For 501st approval: Retention style open back holster made to fit the SE-14 Blaster Pistol. A strap goes across the top to hold the blaster in place. Holster is worn on the right side so it hangs below all belt pouches and after the MA47 double handcuff MOLLE PALS belt pouches. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Proposal Review: Earlier certain things had been decided upon, please review: Changed Flightsuit to Jumpsuit to avoid confusion with TIE flightsuits. Jumpsuit: Pockets added to each sleeve under patch now required. Cargo pocket requirement added. Added rectangular stitching for collar closure in Level 2. Harness: Comlink holster/Clip now required on Left suspender. Vanity pouch now required on Right suspender. Belt: Correct pouch configuration now required. Gloves: Olive green gloves required for approval. Square padding on back of hand required for Level 2. Added length descriptor Boots: Removed option for hobnails. Comlink: Added into accessories. Holster: Changed style of acceptable holster. Upon discussion with the LMOs, this uniform is considered unique to one character and has been changed from a generic officer to "Lieutenant Janeck Sunber" Appearance was added of being clean shaven with the appearance of short hair to represent the character. Replaced the handcuff pouches with a more accurate description: 2 rectangular pouches with a top flap, and strap from top to bottom securing it shut DISCUSSION: The pouches were discussed and pretty well defined on page 1 and 2. What is not well defined is the boots, which match the appearance of the Army Troopers , Engineers and Sappers. IE they are fairly short and filthy. While a bloused jackboot can be used for L1 approval, I feel that the size for an L2 boot should be the Commuter or Commuter II boot used by the other troopers. I found two pair on Ebay easily. Should they be black? the appearance is filthy, and all other green troopers indicate green boots. My own boots are green (spraypainted with Montana Gold Olive Green) and heavily weathered. Boots For 501st approval: Calf high black leather or leather like material. Jackboot or similar style Free of laces, decorative stitching, buckles on the instep or any other embellishments. Boots may have a single adjustment strap at the top outside of the boot, with the buckle no wider than 1". This need not be functional Zippers on the inside of the boot are acceptable, so long as they are concealed. If the zipper is not covered by vinyl/ leather, it is painted black. I propose copying the IAT verbiage for L2. For level 2 certification (if applicable) Olive green 8”-9” high boots. Free of laces, decorative sticking, buckles on the instep or any other embellishments. Zippers on the inside of the boots are acceptable, so long as they are concealed

I'll do that now before I get busy

i really love this photo of Nightingales leader Krysis and myself

I agree wholeheartedly that the weathering should be subtle. Gear is not battered and worn-these aren't Republic Clones but Imperial Specialists.

"does it come in black?"

Watching, and good luck

thanks. And approved!!