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I appreciate that kind of input @DHKnecht and I am so glad you stepped out of the shadows to participate (pun intended). THANK YOU! Here, we just try to make any higher level requirements Level 2 and call it a day...because yea...some of our more recent Disney-canon costumes here at Spec Ops are among the toughest, most detailed builds indeed. Thanks for joining in the convo.

For Specialist you have to. Yessir!

Now ur cookin man!!! Will give it a second look over later.

yup cut em out and leave em open...no mesh.

Cool thanks! Is the vertical zipper hidden anyways by the armor? L2 if so I think as a GML wouldnt see it.

And with any CRL update, I should note that those that have already been approved are not affected by the update nor required to meet the new standards. The new standards apply to new trooper submissions following the publishing of the update (usually we ask GMLs to give a month or so grace period for those that may be mid-build), any troopers wishing to achieve Level 2 Specialist (this includes troopers approved prior to the update), and to any troopers who go to "retired" status in their garrison and have to submit for re-approval.

@Chaos can answer better...but if the corset style is an unseen (not including any unintentional "gotcha" costume zoom ups on super HD) construction method it won't be mentioned here. You could do it...but the CRL covers visible components not the underworkings persay (at least most of the time). But again, I defer to Chaos here.

@nanotek Can you draft up what L1/L2 would look like when you get a chance? I'd like to see how it splits. Thx!

If the boot is high gloss, I don't think you are out of bounds requiring it as such for Level 2. Level 2 doesn't block any basic approvals...it's a representation of higher visual accuracy. Normally I'm in lock step with @Blackwatch but this is a point I may disagree in (don't get mad at me man lol). So for what it's worth, I'd say you can require that at L2 regardless of whether the boots are readily available or not. Either builders will find ways to meet that requirement or the the demand by builders will cause vendors to produce the product. Right? That's my opinion anyways...as I always say, feel free to out-vote me ?

This looks good to me now @nanotek and it seems none present have anything to add. Will worry about bullet formatting and any punctuation checks in final pass. When you are ready you can move this finalized proposal text (and others as we move) here: https://forum.specops501st.com/topic/6780-new-crl-proposal-sith-trooper-tros/ Can edit and hijack my original post to drop text in.

Congratulations and thank you for posting a great build thread.

My kit (purchased from Chef's Creations) came with the bolts...but they are resin cast replicas that he does.

i can see the strap buckles...but these dont seem to be there. that collar is a part of the backplate tho...so they removed it?

mudtrooper (wink) at least for legion purposes lol. it seems that way...it is possible that because it is a range trooper chest a range trooper specific back plate is used?

I think all the under-brow details are Level 2. A GML will not be able to see those from standard submission pics.

Reading the original post, I think determining L1/L2 is the primary task.

With blu-ray released and a few pending CRL updates cleared, lets focus this down to completion...starting at the top (helmet) and then moving down. Review current text draft and if we need to make adjustments lets do so to get this CRL to the finish line as efficiently yet accurately as possible. Please keep in mind...Level 1 basic is the general look of the costume. Level 2 includes the accurate details that are slight and barely noticeable (especially during a GML review of front and back full body shots only). Neither Level needs to touch on actual unseen construction methods that are hidden. Topic is unlocked and ready for replies @nanotek @gmrhodes13 @JoeShoe @rickyboyblue @ukswrath and others. Once we feel it is set we can move on to next piece and add this to finalized text proposal section. Thanks all!!!

3m speedglas bolts should do it (they're normally part of a welding helmet kit). for specialist you just need to make sure you get concave ones.

Welcome! Great to see you are working towards Specialist. The helmet will be difficult to tell till it's built but the chin looks like you could trim more off. As far as the arm pieces...yet the lower edges definitely look as if you could trim some more.

I think there are a few points to remember regarding CRLs... a) The pictures themselves are not required to be hyper-accurate (Level 2/Level 3) models. I would wager that most CRLs actually launch with slight (emphasis on slight as I don't think there is anything pointed out here that I would qualify as major) inaccuracies/interpretations. b) A GML should always use the text...it says that in the CRL introduction...along with pictures. Not one or the other. Regarding the mohawk, I would say that while yours appears to now be matching the references better now, I would say that there is nothing in either mohawks that deviates from the text. If anything, at most I would say the differences in mohawks could be as simple as a Level 1 vs. Level 2 look. From what I see, the chin is gray with a black outline. Could you be more accurate and make the black outline thicker in particular so it's more visible on the very bottom of the chin? Absolutely. But again...I wouldn't term that "wrong" or "incorrect." CRLs, again, can (and often do) depict the Level 1 minimum as that is all GMLs are reviwing/approving...not the absolute most accurate representation and again I don't see any text that would conflict with what you have done. And with the pack colorings...there are references that show both and as such we have further "interpretation"...not what I would term "incorrect-ness." Additionally, that bottom center section actually appears to be divided into 3 sections...the right rectangle doesn't extend to the edge and a seam divides a smaller section on the right...but would I reject a pack that didn't have that. No way lol. c) CRLs are always fluid documents and in what I've seen here, I can't say that anything shown would need to effect Level 1 basic requirements persay..which in turn would have little bearing on the CRL photos. We could open up color options to a point for sure maybe (add in gray and be more specific with the black outline on the vocoder). We could add Level 2 requirements. Even the seam you added on the pack cylinder (which when I see the reference picture I don't see an indented seam...more something that looks like welding line that pops out from the pack not a seam)...could be added as an L2 requirement if we thought it necessary. So yea...all that to say that I think you're on track with your work. Keep going! I encourage that for sure. I don't see anything in what you have done that should bring any concern to a GML doing a Level 1 approval as CRLs should be reviewed in both text and picture always keeping in mind pictures can (and often are) Level 1 minimal requirement depictions. The GML is always free to ask the detachment (there is a forum for that in the main legion forums for us to assist) for advice and input and you are always free to present references to your GML as well (which sounds like you have). And when all is said and done...if we need to revisit the costume for some minor touch-ups, we can.

Sounds good. @Blackwatch When you can please adjust and then move all completed portions to the "finalized" thread just so I can see what we have worked through. Specifically, I need a recap of where we are with the vest before we move on (gloves and compad seem fine for now). Once this vest is set we can move on to the belts and the connected components...finally circling back to the armor and boots. Thanks!!!

CRL is updated and live. Thank you everyone. Locking this thread.

I was born in Hartford but lived in Enfield till I was 5...so not long before moving to Florida where I was raised. I attribute my time in Enfield to my love for LEGO lol. If you'd like, you can email me all of the reference pics you can to iamdarthraider@gmail.com and I can download and upload them all direct to the servers for you in your original post.

Ah wonderful memories in Old Saybrook. My grandparents used to rent a beach house there in summers. My in-laws currently live in Clinton though they are moving down here soon. Anyways... As far as detachment placement (which is ultimately up to LMOs but they do largely take detachment feedback as opposed to forcing detachment placement these days), based on what I see right now, I don't think Spec Ops is the spot...and if Underworld won't accept it this may be an NDA costume. That said...I'm open to helping you out just know that it would be a lower priority then our primary projects right now. A good starting point would probably be to sort out the variant reference pics and have sufficient reference photos (front, backs, sides, closeups if you can) of each. In reality, you would probably want to create the CRL to whichever variant you personally would choose...and then if others wanted to build the other variants, they could be added to the CRL as tabbed "versions" (see our Mudtrooper CRL as an example of that). Once you sort your reference pics, you would then start building your text (focus on the variant you would be building)...as you get a solid draft built, that's when I would suggest diving into the actual build itself...know what details are i the costume for sure before building and potentially having to undo or redo what you built.

Very cool. Sidenote...Connecticut...was born there. Still visit in-laws there like once a year. What part are you from? As far as J-Sec...I'm reading the wiki as well and I'm trying to determine if they are actually Imperial or not. We take Imperial/FO costumes here. We recently turned away Fenn Rau and his Protectors as an example of a Empire-affiliated but not actually Imperial group. So is J-Sec like a contracted mercenary group? That's my feeling, but the character Gleb's straddling of the fence is what is confusing me. I see where Underworld would hesitate as this is a "law enforcement" group with Imperial/FO ties, not a criminal organization (depending on your point of view lol)...but they took Canto Bight Officers which would seem similar. Hmmm. I can speak to Deborah and gather her thoughts. Before I do...you fully intend on building this to completion? That said...there is a little-known category of "No Detachment Affiliation" to which a costume can belong. We have alot of projects going on here at the moment with CRLs that are high priority right now...alot get sent our way...but if you just need some help and direction in getting one done, I'm sure our people wouldn't mind helping even if the costume ends up in the "NDA" category. Have you started a text draft?