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Well I typed a response last night n it didnt save lol. Weird. Anyways...best wishes on ur submission! Please keep us posted on the result!

On it. Gimme a few days to digest

I can tell ya the fans wont really do much cooling in our Florida heat. In a bucket they just help circulate air. The heat...no way to escape it really.

if you just copy and paste the actual imgur url link then click enter it should load the pic. no special coding needed

We are waiting on model pics. That said, there shouldnt be anything in the new CRL that would prevent an approval under the current CRL id imagine. @TX-20113 @Blackwatch or @MahXPrime can correct me if im wrong

Welcome Gio!

@Fivezero MY GUY!!! What an update bro! Looks awesome! Holler when you wanna really tackle the CRL...get a proposal goin. Dont disappear bro!

@DHKnecht Noted. Thanks for the feedback. I would add though this was much more than a staff decision...the CRL proposal was presented to membership many months ago and this was never mentioned. We did discuss at length the corset. Internal construction isnt something we typically require. I think we all agree on that. Where we may diverge is how we view these boot details. I (and it sounds like @Chaos as well) don’t necessarily view them as internal construction as in “how is the costume held together” but rather as details (though I will agree with you...obscure details) on the part. I would liken it to the belt drop boxes on a Centurion approved TK (which I have done). The backs are rarely if ever seen. But there is a requirement for the backs. And those crotch snaps lol. To me, the padding on the boot and the tab (both of which could be visible if the shins ride up) fall into that same category. Here at Spec Ops we dont utilize L3. For us L2 encompasses all additional details past L1. Just clarifying that as to why these arent L3 details here. Finally, if you are approved as a DT you should never be asked to go back and fix details to maintain your approval. Only if you applied for Level 2 Specialist approval here would you possibly (more than likely...almost no applications clear on first pass) be asked to make adjustments to your costume. But again that has no bearing on membership...and for me personally no bearing on how proud any builder should be of their final approved costume. Thanks again for your feedback. CRLs are fluid and evolve over time. Who knows? This one may as well in the future. If you examine all of our CRL discussions (and we have had plenty the past 2-3 years) we always work them out in public and we always encourage members to get engaged in the process and help with the dirty work that is writing and maintaining these CRLs. Hope all of this clarifies our general approach and specifically our take on the boots Level 2 requirements.

@Spencer I believe ur friend PMd me regarding the R1 kit from 850. Itd be a bit to convert Id say. Death Trooper will keep u plenty busy. Start a WIP thread (work in progress) and ask away. Couple knowledgeable DT builders on staff @nanotek @Chaos not to mention the community in general. Best wishes!

The entire CRL will be presented at once both L1 and L2. All text is. complete. Model pics being compiled and edited. The hope is for before the year ends but thats about the best I can say at this point.

A Level 2 Specialist app would/could/should be required to show some additional details...even some unseen. The padding is part of the boot...even a replica...and I do agree w/ you that would be a req for L2 approval. That may not have been the original intent but thats definitely how I interpret it and would when our first L2 applicant steps forward understanding how the Specialist application process works. Keep in mind some of the discussion dates back to August and so the responses back then 4 months ago may be slightly dated as well.

@Blackwatch Great! Ok one last question and Im done... Our older convo about belt grommets. L1 says belt IS grommeted...L2 says it isnt. I thought we eventually decided grommets were just as prevalent in the comic panels as non. Is my memory correct on that? If so do u think we can remove the L2 req? Either way I think L1 should say it can be either or that way it doesnt look contradictory.

@Blackwatch looks good. A few minor cleanups for consistency w/ our other CRLs: 1. Helmet TU L2 bullet 4 - Adjust measurement to 1" to 1 1/8" (25-31mm)...also if we can change the 1 1/8" to a decimal plz. 2. Patch. Give mm measurements and match formatting mentioned above. 3. Boots L2 bullet 1 - Add mm measures. 4. TK belt L2 bullet - Adjust formatting of measurements to match point 1 above.

Update: This CRL update has been processed and published. We do recommend that GMLs provide a grace period of 2-3 months for builds that had started prior to this update BUT we do encourage all builders to meet the updated standards if possible. Please note that a gallery has been added to the CRL as well showing proper coloring and weathering applications. Additionally, the Imperial Death Trooper is now eligible for our in-house Specialist program for those looking to meet the Level 2 standards. I wanted to give additional thanks to @Chaos for the tremendous amount of work he put into facilitating this update. Getting this update completed was a "Top 3" CRL goal for our team this term. I'd also like to thank @DarkPhoenix and @TommyC1138 for providing updated model pictures distinguishing Version 1 and Version 2 builds.

Update: The text and pictures for this CRL update have been processed and published. We do recommend GMLs provide a 2 month grace period on builds that had begun prior to this update if necessary but highly encourage any incoming applicants to meet the new standards. Additionally, this costume will be getting a rename to "Crimson Stormtrooper" as was discussed in the members poll here: https://forum.specops501st.com/topic/7153-poll-magma-trooper-rename/ The Legion LMOs and Web Team are working to adjust the URL but it should be noted that the name has changed "unofficially" when viewing the CRL itself. Thank you to everyone for your participation in the process. Special thanks to @IcyTrooper for facilitating the discussions, @rickyboyblue and @SithThundercracker for the photo edits and CRL editing, and finally @Rat for providing our latest round of CRL model pictures using some of the new options available to this costume.

No readily available videos but in truth outside of the helmet there isnt much work to the armor. Its pretty straightforward. One of our most recent build threads by @CrookKnight (also a WTF kit) may be helpful. Start your own build thread as well and we can help along the way. https://forum.specops501st.com/topic/5673-crookknights-shadow-scout-build-thread/

No ur good. Was just clarifying the process we work through. No offense taken. No problem at all. Its always good to see life on a thread and in the forums. Oh to have a kit just laying around in a closet lol. In any case, did u say u posted a WIP thread? The color u found seems to be a hit and would be great to see that locked into a build thread.

@shadowfire Great! Sounds good. Just as an order of process, we typically work the text based on the references (being a lo-res video game graphic there may be some degree of flex), and then builders can match that. As a general best practice, we try not to get overly involved in steering and guiding vendors excessively. Vendors should ultimately do their own research and create a product that meets the CRL standards (via the references). We absolutely welcome vendors certainly (I have good relationships with many) but we do try to keep a clear line between the detachment and those selling products. That said...looking at the references, neither the RC boots or gloves appear to be a match for what is on the Dark Trooper. I will let @IcyTrooper chime in, but the texture details don't seem to match.

welcome back! likewise @shadowfire

@MrShadow can u get some high res zoom ups of the helmet on the extracted game model? i remember initially we gave some input on helmet but that was from the animated references

@Blackwatch do you need these edits made to the thread i cleaned up for ya? https://forum.specops501st.com/topic/7247-proposed-modified-crl-del-meeko-finalized-text/?do=findComment&comment=95617

4 versions even...though I would propose 4 different CRLs as opposed to tabs: Gar Saxon Captain Hark Tristan Wren Grunt

sorry didnt see this one. yes the bucket builder

None. Until someone presents a completed/semi-completed build we don't typically start drafting the CRL as the builders are typically the ones to present their research of the references alongside their builds. There are exceptions to that but that's normally with costumes where we have seen people making significant and steady progress on their builds in the forums. That hasn't happened here for the Imp Supercommando to this point. That said... @MrShadow did message us just yesterday and believes he has enough progress on his files to start drafting a text and @IcyTrooper has volunteered to help work alongside him to start that process.

Good question. Looking at the CRL in its current state, it would need to be hard materials. No way around that at the present. As the costume is a comic book character, we can't really point to screen references for a definitive answer and so we could look to C-3P0 as an example regarding construction. I did some reading after seeing your post and it does seem like a more flexible material (rubber) was used for C-3P0 (stunt costume versions only?) for the ESB and ROTJ. So could an update to the CRL be discussed? It could, but no guarantees that would be done in a time frame that would line up with your build/approval. And no guarantees it would clear. If references (C-3P0) showed that was used then it could fly though, but that's a process.