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If were in agreement, I'd love to lock down the tunic text at Change Log 2.5 then move to the chest armor keeping our standardized CRL methodology in place. Change Log 2.5 Tunic A long-sleeved, olive green jacket that falls just to mid-thigh, with no visible zippers or buttons. Fabric has a denim textured material with a visible weave. Has a high mandarin style collar with a left over right closure that rises from the front of the tunic. The front closure overlaps left over right and rises from the hem at the bottom of the tunic to the top of the collar. Four pockets are present on the jacket front, covered by large flapped closures. Lower pockets are larger than the ones on the upper chest. Lower pocket seams rest on the same seam as the end of the tunic The rear of the jacket has a horizontal seam present near the upper back. Two vertical seams start below the horizontal upper back seam moving down the bottom of the jacket. Two black tunic hooks to hold the belt in place are permitted. If used, the hooks will pass from the inside of the tunic to the outside through holes on either side of the tunic at the hip. The belt covers the holes. One pocket is present on each arm of the jacket, each covered by large flapped closures. The top of the arm pocket flaps are in line with the top edge of the chest pockets. Above the left arm pocket flap, up to 2 black fabric rank bars may be present. Cuffs on the sleeves are about mid-distance to the elbow. The material folds back on itself to form the cuff. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): If left arm rank bars are present, the black fabric should be similar to duvetyn type of fabric and will have 3 equidistant horizontal stitch lines through each rank bar. The front jacket flap will have rectangular stitch marks with a stitched X inside where velcro is attached to keep the flap closed.

@PM07 you bring up a point I had not considered. We know the distance on the coverall based uniforms, all based up on location of the patch. With the followup of the tunic prototype offered by @bubuc44, I will add it. The prototype tunic has the pockets at mid-arm, well below the location of the original screen-seen items. Im going to incorporate it in this Change Log. Keep these observations coming! Change Log 2.5 Tunic A long-sleeved, olive green jacket that falls just to mid-thigh, with no visible zippers or buttons. Fabric has a denim textured material with a visible weave. Has a high mandarin style collar with a left over right closure that rises from the front of the tunic. The front closure overlaps left over right and rises from the hem at the bottom of the tunic to the top of the collar. Four pockets are present on the jacket front, covered by large flapped closures. Lower pockets are larger than the ones on the upper chest. Lower pocket seams rest on the same seam as the end of the tunic The rear of the jacket has a horizontal seam present near the upper back. Two vertical seams start below the horizontal upper back seam moving down the bottom of the jacket. Two black tunic hooks to hold the belt in place are permitted. If used, the hooks will pass from the inside of the tunic to the outside through holes on either side of the tunic at the hip. The belt covers the holes. One pocket is present on each arm of the jacket, each covered by large flapped closures. The top of the arm pocket flaps are in line with the top edge of the chest pockets. Above the left arm pocket flap, up to 2 black fabric rank bars may be present. Cuffs on the sleeves are about mid-distance to the elbow. The material folds back on itself to form the cuff. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): If left arm rank bars are present, the black fabric should be similar to duvetyn type of fabric and will have 3 equidistant horizontal stitch lines through each rank bar. The front jacket flap will have rectangular stitch marks with a stitched X inside where velcro is attached to keep the flap closed.

It looks like I left that Oxford comma out. Ill add that. Here is the revision. if we all agree, I believe this will finalize the Tunic. Change Log 2.4 Tunic A long-sleeved, olive green jacket that falls just to mid-thigh, with no visible zippers or buttons. Fabric has a denim textured material with a visible weave. Has a high mandarin style collar with a left over right closure that rises from the front of the tunic. The front closure overlaps left over right and rises from the hem at the bottom of the tunic to the top of the collar. Four pockets are present on the jacket front, covered by large flapped closures. Lower pockets are larger than the ones on the upper chest. Lower pocket seams rest on the same seam as the end of the tunic The rear of the jacket has a horizontal seam present near the upper back. Two vertical seams start below the horizontal upper back seam moving down the bottom of the jacket. Two black tunic hooks to hold the belt in place are permitted. If used, the hooks will pass from the inside of the tunic to the outside through holes on either side of the tunic at the hip. The belt covers the holes. One pocket is present on each arm of the jacket, each covered by large flapped closures. Above the left arm pocket flap, up to 2 black fabric rank bars may be present. Cuffs on the sleeves are about mid-distance to the elbow. The material folds back on itself to form the cuff. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): If left arm rank bars are present, the black fabric should be similar to duvetyn type of fabric and will have 3 equidistant horizontal stitch lines through each rank bar. The front jacket flap will have rectangular stitch marks with a stitched X inside where velcro is attached to keep the flap closed.

Congratulations, Trooper!!!! Welcome to the Imperial Army! Lets get that Specialist application started.

wow, good catch, thats reallllllllly low. Ill adjust that in the text. Ive had a thought coming into work. I backed away from the emphasis on the hole, and put the emphasis on the tunic hook. What are your thoughts on this to replace the text in the description? Two black tunic hooks to hold the belt in place are permitted. If used the hooks will pass from the inside of the tunic to the outside through holes on either side of the tunic at the hip. The belt covers the holes. Im going to leave this out for discussion and I can edit that in, but I want to make the change to the pockets in this Change Log I have changed jacket to tunic to keep the verbiage consistent. Edited text in red strikethrough has been removed and all green and yellow text discused in the previous edit have been converted. Change Log 2.3 Tunic A long-sleeved, olive green jacket that falls just to mid-thigh, with no visible zippers or buttons. Fabric has a denim textured material with a visible weave. Has a high mandarin style collar with a left over right closure that rises from the front of the tunic. The front closure overlaps left over right and rises from the hem at the bottom of the tunic to the top of the collar. Four pockets are present on the jacket front, covered by large flapped closures. Lower pockets are larger than the ones on the upper chest. Lower pocket seams rest on the same seam as the end of the tunic The rear of the jacket has a horizontal seam present near the upper back. Two vertical seams start below the horizontal upper back seam moving down the bottom of the jacket. The jacket may have optional holes near the waist of the jacket to allow tunic hooks to be used to hold up the belt. These optional holes must be covered by the belt. if present. If the holes are present tunic hooks must be used to keep the belt in place. ||||||||||||| Under review One pocket is present on each arm of the jacket, each covered by large flapped closures. Above the left arm pocket flap, up to 2 black fabric rank bars may be present. Cuffs on the sleeves are about mid-distance to the elbow. The material folds back on itself to form the cuff. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): If left arm rank bars are present, the black fabric should be similar to duvetyn type of fabric and will have 3 equidistant horizontal stitch lines through each rank bar. The front jacket flap will have rectangular stitch marks with a stitched X inside where velcro is attached to keep the flap closed.

Were all on the same page, holes are optional, and if you have holes they should have hooks, but not mandatory, at least at L1 approval level. Were going to have makers come out with the tunics with the holes because Ive already seen different makers discuss it on their individual pages. I really dont want to have someone run into the situation (and we have all seen it before) where a maker has a screen-seen feature included, but because its not spelled out in the CRL, a GML will not approve it.

That was my line of reasoning, but this spells it out better. Clarification, in the line above, did you mean to say If optional tunic holes are used on the tunic... or did you mean hooks, since its used twice in the descriptor. Ok let me make that change. Its optional. you can have the holes, but the hooks are supposed to fill the holes. I would want the holes so I can keep my belt from slipping.

My concern with removing it is that in a few months were going to get a forum request to add it and we will be back to this discussion again, and it will come up that we knew about it. There is visual evidence that they do exist, and then there will be a post requesting we add it. Personally I would rather leave it an option for the wearer. There will always be the L3 guys, guys that want the ultimate and will pay any price to get it. Whether we see them or not is less a concern to me, over whether they exist on the part. We dont often see the velcro used to close flaps on the stormfronts, but we know they are there, going back as far as ESB when Luke pulls his coverall on. Its a factor of keeping things in place. My belts slip all over the place, they never stay put. The suspenders look like a pain, but the Wermacht used them for several years to keep the belt in place on the soldier wearing it. Change log 2.3 Jacket A long-sleeved, olive green jacket that falls just to mid-thigh, with no visible zippers or buttons. Olive drab will not be approved. Color of the jacket ranges from olive green to olive tan. Fabric has a denim textured material with a visible weave. Has a high mandarin style collar with a left over right closure that rises from the front of the tunic. The front closure overlaps left over right and rises from the hem at the bottom of the tunic to the top of the collar. Four pockets are present on the jacket front, covered by large flapped closures. Lower pockets are larger than the ones on the upper chest. The rear of the jacket has a horizontal seam present near the upper back. Two vertical seams start below the horizontal upper back seam moving down the bottom of the jacket. The jacket may have optional holes near the waist of the jacket to allow tunic hooks to be used to hold up the belt. These optional holes must be covered by the belt. if present. If the holes are present tunic hooks must be used to keep the belt in place. One pocket is present on each arm of the jacket, each covered by large flapped closures. Above the left arm pocket flap, up to 2 black fabric rank bars may be present. Cuffs on the sleeves are about mid-distance to the elbow. The material folds back on itself to form the cuff. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): The jacket may have optional holes near the waist of the jacket to allow tunic hooks to be used to hold up the belt. These optional holes must be covered by the belt. If left arm rank bars are present, the black fabric should be similar to duvetyn type of fabric and will have 3 equidistant horizontal stitch lines through each rank bar. The front jacket flap will have rectangular stitch marks with a stitched X inside where velcro is attached to keep the flap closed.

You guys are right, when I write something it makes sense to me but I need that third and fourth set of eyes on it. That od chip looks sort of like the original 1942 formula, one pound of lampblack to one gallon of chrome yellow lacquer paint. The WWII equipment restorers use something a bit less color saturated on all their tractors trucks and jeeps. Looks odd after seeing everything in movies being painted the wrong color for years. OK, so agreed, lets just say "olive" and leave it at that. A dye batch will come out how a dye batch comes out. Ive altered the bargain and added the verbiage about the tunic hooks. Ok so lets do this: Change log 2.2 Jacket A long-sleeved, olive green jacket that falls just to mid-thigh, with no visible zippers or buttons. Olive drab will not be approved. Color of the jacket ranges from olive green to olive tan. Fabric has a denim textured material with a visible weave. Has a high mandarin style collar with a left over right closure that rises from the front of the tunic. The front closure overlaps left over right and rises from the hem at the bottom of the tunic to the top of the collar. Four pockets are present on the jacket front, covered by large flapped closures. Lower pockets are larger than the ones on the upper chest. The rear of the jacket has a horizontal seam present near the upper back. Two vertical seams start below the horizontal upper back seam moving down the bottom of the jacket. The jacket may have optional holes near the waist of the jacket to allow tunic hooks to be used to hold up the belt. These optional holes must be covered by the belt if present. If the holes are present tunic hooks must be used to keep the belt in place. One pocket is present on each arm of the jacket, each covered by large flapped closures. Above the left arm pocket flap, up to 2 black fabric rank bars may be present. Cuffs on the sleeves are about mid-distance to the elbow. The material folds back on itself to form the cuff. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): The jacket may have optional holes near the waist of the jacket to allow tunic hooks to be used to hold up the belt. These optional holes must be covered by the belt. If left arm rank bars are present, the black fabric should be similar to duvetyn type of fabric and will have 3 equidistant horizontal stitch lines through each rank bar. The front jacket flap will have rectangular stitch marks with a stitched X inside where velcro is attached to keep the flap closed.

Roger that Calum, now lets get you approved, then on to Specialist!

Agreed, agreed and- Ive seen that fabric before, and the whole "motion picture industry" bit means that this stuff is readily available an surely there is one panel that got damaged and laying about, ready to be harvested. I like the wiki article describing how the space scenes for Star Trek were filmed. So here we are with the next change log: Change log 2.1 Jacket A long-sleeved, olive green jacket that falls just to mid-thigh, with no visible zippers or buttons. Olive drab will not be approved. Color of the jacket ranges from olive green to olive tan. Fabric has a denim textured material with a visible weave. Has a high mandarin style collar with a left over right closure that rises from the front of the tunic. The front closure overlaps left over right and rises from the hem at the bottom of the tunic to the top of the collar. Four pockets are present on the jacket front, covered by large flapped closures. Lower pockets are larger than the ones on the upper chest. The rear of the jacket has a horizontal seam present near the upper back. Two vertical seams start below the horizontal upper back seam moving down the bottom of the jacket. One pocket is present on each arm of the jacket, each covered by large flapped closures. Above the left arm pocket flap, up to 2 black fabric rank bars may be present. Cuffs on the sleeves are about mid-distance to the elbow. The material folds back on itself to form the cuff. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): The jacket may have optional holes near the waist of the jacket to allow tunic hooks to be used to hold up the belt. These optional holes must be covered by the belt. If left arm rank bars are present, the black fabric should be similar to duvetyn type of fabric and will have 3 equidistant horizontal stitch lines through each rank bar. The front jacket flap will have rectangular stitch marks with a stitched X inside where velcro is attached to keep the flap closed.

Im catching a felt feel on this, especially folded back the way it is.

Agreed about that "one guy", weve seen that all over the various forums. I would prefer to see the fabric be one color, one dye batch if possibie. Each trooper may look different, but thats normal. Line ten TKs up and one will be yellowish. Ive never seen two TDs match, and most black fabric fades from washing.

@TeaJay you are all over it like a cheap suit! (pun intended) Great work, and you are seeing things that my tired old eyes are struggling to see. The rank bars remind me of plain elastic or webbing. What do you believe they are made from? They stick out away from the arm, makes me wonder if they are felt material. Im for the holes at the belt line. The 1934 (?) pattern Wermacht blouse had them for the internal suspension system, and had internal suspenders to hold the weight of the belt and field gear. Im going to take what you wrote as the outline and work with that. Im going to rename it to change log 2.0. We stated in the hat that the color must match the tunic and pants. If they are to be matching, are we going to allow mismatched colors, or should the maker ensure that the dye batch is all the same? I ask becaue Im part of a club that tries to color match all our uniforms to a consistent shade to match what was seen on screen, but of course variation exists. Saying that, should the hat match the jacket, or the pants, or both? Jacket Change log 2.0 Jacket A long-sleeved, olive green jacket that falls just to mid-thigh, with no visible zippers or buttons. Color of the jacket ranges from olive green to olive tan. Olive drab will not be approved. Fabric has a denim textured material with a visible weave. Has a high mandarin style collar with a left over right closure that rises from the front of the tunic. The front closure overlaps left over right and rises from the hem at the bottom of the tunic to the top of the collar. Four pockets are present on the jacket front, covered by large flapped closures. Lower pockets are larger than the ones on the upper chest. The rear of the jacket has a horizontal seam present near the upper back. Two vertical seams start below the horizontal upper back seam moving down the bottom of the jacket. One pocket is present on each arm of the jacket, each covered by large flapped closures. Above the left arm pocket flap, up to 2 black fabric rank bars may be present. Cuffs on the sleeves are about mid-distance to the elbow. The material folds back on itself to form the cuff. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): The jacket may have optional holes near the waist of the jacket to allow tunic hooks to be used to hold up the belt. These optional holes must be covered by the belt. If left arm rank bars are present, the black fabric shall have 3 equidistant horizontal stitch lines through each rank bar. The front jacket flap will have rectangular stitch marks with a stitched X inside where velcro is attached to keep the flap closed. Thoughts and discussion?

OK! thanks for this, this helps and its going to help you. Move those straps so that they sit right on top of the chest pockets, they should come straight down over them. also make sure to get the sleeve down as far as possible so they appear to enter the glove wrist opening. You have the straps right in most of the pics but in one its crammed beside you for some reason. You want those straight. Take a look at your pants leg at the top of the boot. You want that fluffed into the boot, covering the top edge. Not quite a blouse, and definitely not a Imperial-style-cram-it-straight-in-the-boot either. \ You can space your pouches out in back, they dont need to be crammed together so tight. When you take the pics, make sure you do a full go around the CRL and have your L2 pics ready to go.

looking good. its OK to fill out more pouches on the rig, four is the minimum.

Soft good, we will start with the blouse/ tunic. Its not a Mudtrooper tunic so Im not going to use the exact text from the mudtrooper, but I will loosely write a framework that will get us going. Tunic Change log 1.0 A long-sleeved, olive green gray jacket that falls between upper and just to mid-thigh, with no visible zippers or buttons. Fabric has a "pilled" texture with a visible weave. Has a high mandarin style collar with an open space in front. a left over right closure that rises from the front of the tunic. Has two panels on either side of the front, extending to the bottom of the jacket. Has a stitched "cuff" on the sleeve that extends to around the middle of the forearm. Appearance of the cuff may be created by top stitching. If side pockets are present, they are built into the jacket with no covering flaps present. No outer stitched pockets are acceptable unless they are fully covered by the armor. Shall be moderately to heavily weathered. The front closure overlaps left over right and rises from the hem at the bottom of the tunic to the top of the collar. Four pockets are present on the jacket front, covered by large flapped closures.

Never! but yeah we will tab it out like the mudtrooper is. Ok, locking down this version of the Hat, putting it in our "finalized" topic, and moving on to the other soft goods. Just a side note, Im working on another project that is not going NEARLY as well as this is. Differnt clubs, different discussion styles. Change log 1.1 (Final) Hat - Version 2 Fabric matches the tunic and pants. Base of the hat is conical, with a crown about 4" (101.6mm) tall. Front and rear “flaps” overlap on the sides and are about 4" (101.6mm) high. Front bill extends 3" (76mm) down, decorated with (5), (6), (7) or (8) concentric stitches. An Imperial Code Disk is positioned in the center of the front vertical “flap”. OPTIONAL Level two certification Rear flap is slightly lower than the crown heigh (lees than 4") Disks do not feature a notch or groove details.

great work guys! I was on the road for like 5 days so Im so happy to see this solid discussion. Hats have never been a big thing in Spec Ops, you guys have really done great service with this discussion. I figured that the 6 ring hat was a face character, but apparently not. Sewing team A made this size hat, Sewing team B made that size hat and sewing Team C made another size. Before lunch they got 8 lines on. After lunch, only 5. Something like that. I originally felt that 6 rings would be an L2, but apparently not. There is no apparent correlation between the two. So with what Felix has written for us, we have: Hat, Change log 1.1 Hat - Version 2 Fabric matches the tunic and pants. Base of the hat is conical, with a crown about 4" (101.6mm) tall. Front and rear “flaps” overlap on the sides and are about 4" (101.6mm) high. Front bill extends 3" (76mm) down, decorated with (5), (6), (7) or (8) concentric stitches. An Imperial Code Disk is positioned in the center of the front vertical “flap”. OPTIONAL Level two certification Rear flap is slightly lower than the crown heigh (lees than 4") Disks do not feature a notch or groove details. Lets agree, lock this down, and move on to the blouse and trousers.

Moving forward to the hat, which is seen on half the troopers, I like Felix's proposal, and I think we should accept it as written: Hat, Olive - Version 2 Fabric is a medium weight suiting material of olive green. matches the tunic and pants. Base of the hat is conical, with a crown about 4" (101.6mm) tall. Front and rear “flaps” overlap on the sides and are about 4" (101.6mm) high. Front bill extends 3" (76mm) down, decorated with (5) (6) or (7) concentric stitches. An Imperial Code Disk may be is positioned in the center of the front vertical “flap,” but is not required. OPTIONAL Level two certification Rear flap is slightly lower than the crown heigh (lees than 4") Disks do not feature a notch or groove details. Hat, Change log 1.0 Fabric matches the tunic and pants. Base of the hat is conical, with a crown about 4" (101.6mm) tall. Front and rear “flaps” overlap on the sides and are about 4" (101.6mm) high. Front bill extends 3" (76mm) down, decorated with 6 concentric stitches. An Imperial Code Disk is positioned in the center of the front vertical “flap”. OPTIONAL Level two certification Rear flap is slightly lower than the crown heigh (lees than 4") Disks do not feature a notch or groove details.

Ok, its been 24 hours, and with no further comment, Im locking the goggles. Goggles Goggles Change Log 1.1 (Final) Goggles Goggles shall have an aged chrome or silver frame with detail painting and weathering to match reference image. The knurled nose bridge adjuster is brass in appearance. Goggles shall have a trim around metallic frame. Trim shall be rubber or foam. Goggles have a tinted lens featuring two flat panels on each side. Goggle Strap features two sizes of elastic - The thinner elastic strap attaches directly to the goggles and is sewn to the larger strap, which forms the main goggle strap. The goggle strap features a number of buckles: There are metallic buckles on each side of the goggles through which the 1" (25mm) elastic is threaded. A large buckle greeblie on the back side through which the 1.5" (40mm) elastic is threaded. This greeblie features a square inset into the buckle matching the helmet color. Goggles are worn just above the brim of the helmet. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): Serrated 1" (25mm) slide buckles on each side of the goggles through which the 1" (25mm) elastic is threaded. Goggle straps are approximately 1" (25mm) and 1.5" (40mm). 1” (25mm) webbing should be used to attach serrated buckle to goggles. Goggles and strap are permanently mounted to the helmet. Goggle strap has the Telemetry Unit mounted directly to it on the right side of the helmet.

Thats the plan I had, but we need to lock down the goggles before we move on to that. Is there any more commentary on the goggles before proceeding to the rest of the uniform?

I think itwill be fine. I also think that's the same kind of pouch I have on the back of my Colonial Marine.

Making the change suggested, Im going to keep it at change log 1.1. If theres no further discussion on this topic Id like to lock the goggles and move on to the next item. Goggles Change Log 1.1 Goggles Goggles shall have an aged chrome or silver frame with detail painting and weathering to match reference image. The knurled nose bridge adjuster is brass in appearance. Goggles shall have a trim around metallic frame. Trim shall be rubber or foam. Goggles have a tinted lens featuring two flat panels on each side. Goggle Strap features two sizes of elastic - The thinner elastic strap attaches directly to the goggles and is sewn to the larger strap, which forms the main goggle strap. The goggle strap features a number of buckles: There are metallic buckles on each side of the goggles through which the 1" (25mm) elastic is threaded. A large buckle greeblie on the back side through which the 1.5" (40mm) elastic is threaded. This greeblie features a square inset into the buckle matching the helmet color. Goggles are worn on Just above the brim of the helmet. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): Serrated 1" (25mm) slide buckles on each side of the goggles through which the 1" (25mm) elastic is threaded. Goggle straps are approximately 1" (25mm) and 1.5" (40mm). 1” (25mm) webbing should be used to attach serrated buckle to goggles. Goggles and strap are permanently mounted to the helmet. Goggle strap has the Telemetry Unit mounted directly to it on the right side of the helmet.

zippers are acceptable, but how I wrote the CRL they are not mandated. We use the commuter/ totes/stadium boot because its a convenient option. That style of boot is getting harder to find without a lot of decorative stitching on it.