Blackwatch

Moving off of textiles lets look at armor. The chest is the next piece, then we can discuss the back once the chest is nailed down. Proposal V1.0 Chest Armor — Version Two Chest armor matches visual references being accurate in shape and design. There is an indented area around the outer edge of the center flat section. Buckles attach to upper chest plate. Buckles are gunmetal or silver with black recesses. Shoulder straps are affixed to the chest plate at the buckle. The shoulder strap is black. It is permitted to be made of cast flexible urethane or other flexible material. To the lower left side of the center flat panel is a recessed area angled inward from bottom to top with a raised rectangle greeblie and a recessed horizontal elongated oval. The elongated oval is painted Humbrol Eed #19, or equivalent. The raised rectangle greeblie is painted silver or light grey. Left of the recessed area is a raised square that extends from the center to the curved side of the armor. A white or silver rectangle is present on this raised square. On the top left side of the raised area is a raised oblong detail that protrudes outwards. Chest shall be painted a very dark grey. Greenish undertones in certain lighting conditions is acceptable. An acceptable range of colors include RLM 70 to Sherwin Williams SW6994 Greenblack, or equivalent. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): Buckles have black recess on upper narrow section and the lower recess shall expose the chest armor. Buckles may have silver paint chipping showing gunmetal underneath the silver.

Its been a vew days with no further comment so Im going to clear and lock the tunic and pants as proposed. V1.2 (FINAL) Tunic A long-sleeved, black jacket that falls just to mid-thigh, with no visible zippers or buttons. Fabric is a plain weave cotton similar to duck canvas. Has a high mandarin style collar with a left-over-right closure that rises from the front of the tunic. The front closure overlaps left over right and rises from the hem at the bottom of the tunic to the top of the collar. Four rectangular pockets are present on the jacket front, covered by large flapped closures. Lower pockets are larger than the ones on the upper chest. Lower pocket seams rest on the same seam as the end of the tunic The rear of the jacket has a horizontal seam present near the upper back. Two vertical seams start below the horizontal upper back seam moving down the bottom of the jacket. Two black tunic hooks to hold the belt in place are permitted. If used, the hooks will pass from the inside of the tunic to the outside through holes on either side of the tunic at the hip. The belt covers the holes. One pocket is present on each arm of the jacket, each covered by large flapped closures. The top of the arm pocket flaps are in line with the top edge of the chest pockets. Cuffs on the sleeves are about mid-distance to the elbow. The material folds back on itself to form the cuff. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): The front jacket flap will have rectangular stitch marks with a stitched X inside where velcro is attached to keep the flap closed. Fabric has the appearance of waxed canvas or oilskin fabric. If left arm rank bars are present, the black fabric should be similar to duvetyn type of fabric and will have 3 equidistant horizontal stitch lines through each rank bar. Trousers: Black pants matching the tunic and hat in color, type and weave. There are no visible pockets. Trousers feature a long reinforcement panel on the front of the leg from mid thigh to below the knee. This panel is double row stitched. It does not extend to the side seams of the trouser leg. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable)

that paint IS gritty. its the right color but I dont like MG. Its also expensive and hard to find. So, yeah. if the other coverall matches carve it up to make new pockets for the legs and a new flap for the chest, because you dont want to undersize the leg pockets. Remmember that you want the leg pockets stuffed for L2 approval (which you want) so you want a bigger pocket. Once you have it all together tromp through some mud and weather the boots. The grit will hold the mud.

hey guys Im back in the forum again. Yeah I agree ive watched and rewated that scene and I just dont see anything like a rank bar on any armor or on any shoulder. Ill delete all references to it. The reinforcement patch is longer than mudtrooper and ICAT drivers, I made my pants and they stop on my thigh. This appears to start on the thigh and falls just below the kneecap stopping at or just above the shin armor, it will vary per person and how the shin armor moves, but the line of where it starts on that cap shows pretty clearly that it starts at the middle of the thigh. The bunching around the kneecap is very distinctive. We already have it written starting at the mid thigh and ending below the knee, and the way we have it worded is that it is double stiched. So, with the ICAT thats written to be two panels on top off each other, but I only see the one panel here. V1.2 Tunic A long-sleeved, olive green black jacket that falls just to mid-thigh, with no visible zippers or buttons. Fabric has a denim textured material with a visible weave. is a plain weave cotton fabric similar to duck canvas. Has a high mandarin style collar with a left-over-right closure that rises from the front of the tunic. The front closure overlaps left over right and rises from the hem at the bottom of the tunic to the top of the collar. Four rectangular pockets are present on the jacket front, covered by large flapped closures. Lower pockets are larger than the ones on the upper chest. Lower pocket seams rest on the same seam as the end of the tunic The rear of the jacket has a horizontal seam present near the upper back. Two vertical seams start below the horizontal upper back seam moving down the bottom of the jacket. Two black tunic hooks to hold the belt in place are permitted. If used, the hooks will pass from the inside of the tunic to the outside through holes on either side of the tunic at the hip. The belt covers the holes. One pocket is present on each arm of the jacket, each covered by large flapped closures. The top of the arm pocket flaps are in line with the top edge of the chest pockets. Above the left arm pocket flap, up to 2 black fabric rank bars may be present. (IS THIS CORRECT ?) Cuffs on the sleeves are about mid-distance to the elbow. The material folds back on itself to form the cuff. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): The front jacket flap will have rectangular stitch marks with a stitched X inside where velcro is attached to keep the flap closed. Fabric has the appearance of waxed canvas or oilskin fabric. If left arm rank bars are present, the black fabric should be similar to duvetyn type of fabric and will have 3 equidistant horizontal stitch lines through each rank bar. Trousers: Olive green black pants matching the tunic and hat in color, type and weave. Fabric is a denim textured material with a visible weave. There are no visible pockets. Trousers feature a long reinforcement panel on the front of the leg from mid thigh to below the knee. This panel is double row stitched. It does not extend to the side seams of the trouser leg. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable)

Patrica Im getting back into the forums, its been a few days. Glad to see you moving for Specialist.

Hey everyone. let me first apologize for being absent for so long. With the nature of my business I get sent no-notice TDY duty to other areas of the country, and thats what happened. With the type of work I do (onsite aircraft maintenance) I can literally be on an airplane up to 16 hours a day working on it then go drive to the hotel to rest, which generally means doing a fwe hours of paperwork. I even had to buy a laptop on this last trip to try to keep up with all the paperwork I was generating. With that, let me catch up to where we are. Im on board with making the recommended change to the text to include the waxed fabric for L2. I have zero experience with this or what it would actually look like, but I do have some black fabric that looks nasty after I run the sewing machine presser foot over it. I have reviewed the scene many times and cannot see the fabric rank bars on the left arm. Most troopers have the arm armor, but maybe someone with a higher defintion monitor can find it , if it exists on the black uniform. SO, that said here are the proposals for tunic and trousers. V1.1 Tunic A long-sleeved, olive green black jacket that falls just to mid-thigh, with no visible zippers or buttons. Fabric has a denim textured material with a visible weave. is a plain weave cotton fabric similar to duck canvas. Has a high mandarin style collar with a left-over-right closure that rises from the front of the tunic. The front closure overlaps left over right and rises from the hem at the bottom of the tunic to the top of the collar. Four rectangular pockets are present on the jacket front, covered by large flapped closures. Lower pockets are larger than the ones on the upper chest. Lower pocket seams rest on the same seam as the end of the tunic The rear of the jacket has a horizontal seam present near the upper back. Two vertical seams start below the horizontal upper back seam moving down the bottom of the jacket. Two black tunic hooks to hold the belt in place are permitted. If used, the hooks will pass from the inside of the tunic to the outside through holes on either side of the tunic at the hip. The belt covers the holes. One pocket is present on each arm of the jacket, each covered by large flapped closures. The top of the arm pocket flaps are in line with the top edge of the chest pockets. Above the left arm pocket flap, up to 2 black fabric rank bars may be present. (IS THIS CORRECT ?) Cuffs on the sleeves are about mid-distance to the elbow. The material folds back on itself to form the cuff. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): The front jacket flap will have rectangular stitch marks with a stitched X inside where velcro is attached to keep the flap closed. Fabric has the appearance of waxed canvas or oilskin fabric. If left arm rank bars are present, the black fabric should be similar to duvetyn type of fabric and will have 3 equidistant horizontal stitch lines through each rank bar. Trousers: Olive green black pants matching the tunic and hat in color, type and weave. Fabric is a denim textured material with a visible weave. There are no visible pockets. Trousers feature a long reinforcement panel on the front of the leg from mid thigh to below the knee. This panel is double row stitched. It does not extend to the side seams of the trouser leg. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable)

Ive been watching and rewatching the Aldhani scenes and on The Axe Forgets, and at timestamp 1548-1553 you can clearly see how the lower jacket flexes with the pocket. I glue foam slabs in my pockets to make them billow out, and thats how this fabric is behaving. There is no downward shift like there is a loose object in there. it flexes all the way around the rectangular object, as if it is fixed in place. We dont know what the costume designers are thinking or why they would do that, but you can clearly see in all well lit scenes that the pocket seam continues to the bottom and casts its own shadow. For a few minutes I thought the shadow cast by the lower pocket where the box or foam or whatever stops looks like the old M65 field jacket drawstring but it only appears in the pocket iselt not all the way around.

We determined that the pocket does actually fall to the bottom , you can also see the side seam where it falls to the bottom of the coat hem. it was originally believed that it stopped short. It almost appears to me that there is something inside the pocket making it shove out, it clearly makes a shadow cast over the rest of the pocket. Maybe there is a piece of foam or something glued in there. It clearly follows the contour of the bottom edge of whatever is in there.

My IAT had a file from thingiverse however its not very accurate. The CRL Model made his own in the time honored tradition, you can see it in TrooperPX's build thread.

You will want to read through each WIP as the fabric from each maker is discussed, however there is also this topic:

Back from an extended weekend, lets clear and lock and move on. I want to run tunic and pants concurrently since they are the same fabric and color, but they will landin the CRL in the correct order, just as the Andor Army Trooper is. Proposal: V 1.0 New text in green, altered text in amber and removed text in red strikethrough. Question for discussion: Do we ever see the fabric rank bars as seen on the green Army troopers? Tunic A long-sleeved, olive green black jacket that falls just to mid-thigh, with no visible zippers or buttons. Fabric has a denim textured material with a visible weave. Has a high mandarin style collar with a left over right closure that rises from the front of the tunic. The front closure overlaps left over right and rises from the hem at the bottom of the tunic to the top of the collar. Four rectangular pockets are present on the jacket front, covered by large flapped closures. Lower pockets are larger than the ones on the upper chest. Lower pocket seams rest on the same seam as the end of the tunic The rear of the jacket has a horizontal seam present near the upper back. Two vertical seams start below the horizontal upper back seam moving down the bottom of the jacket. Two black tunic hooks to hold the belt in place are permitted. If used, the hooks will pass from the inside of the tunic to the outside through holes on either side of the tunic at the hip. The belt covers the holes. One pocket is present on each arm of the jacket, each covered by large flapped closures. The top of the arm pocket flaps are in line with the top edge of the chest pockets. Above the left arm pocket flap, up to 2 black fabric rank bars may be present. Cuffs on the sleeves are about mid-distance to the elbow. The material folds back on itself to form the cuff. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): If left arm rank bars are present, the black fabric should be similar to duvetyn type of fabric and will have 3 equidistant horizontal stitch lines through each rank bar. The front jacket flap will have rectangular stitch marks with a stitched X inside where the Velcro is attached to keep the flap closed. Trousers Olive green black pants matching the tunic and hat. Fabric is a denim textured material with a visible weave. There are no visible pockets. Trousers feature a long reinforcement panel on the front of the leg from mid-thigh to below the knee. This panel is double row stitched. It does not extend to the side seams of the trouser leg.

thank you! Lets leave this open for another day for input, then we can clear and lock and move on.

Glad to see you here, well get you sorted.

I agree, some are simplified. However a box of potato mashers is going to look pretty spiffy on the convention table.

Hat Text Version 1.0, taken directly from the Imperial Arm Trooper-Andor trooper (Green). Hat Fabric matches the tunic and pants. Base of the hat is conical, with a crown about 4" (101.6mm) tall. Front and rear “flaps” overlap on the sides and are about 4" (101.6mm) high. Front bill extends 3" (76mm) down, decorated with (5), (6), (7) or (8) concentric stitches. An Imperial Code Disk is positioned in the center of the front vertical “flap”. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): Disks do not feature a notch or groove details.

Ive been unavailable for several days, real life conseuences of being the only person in my Station to do the work. Back to it now, and I agree, lets finish the goggle and move on.

Patricia you always amaze me! Sewing your coveralls to fit from scratch. Yep. Amazing, no matter what side of the conflict you are on!

Ive been gone a week and just now getting back. I feel the CRL proposal is fine, I have always felt (and found) that when we start deep diving into details that are not outwardly visible, we set ourselves up for failure down the road. We also create a scenario just like we had the day the Aldhani CRL was published where there was a call for a rewrite.

Subtle weathering, if present at all, would be t match the ref images and we will have plenty posted to our Galleries once they are built. We discussed the mount of the TU and how the strap feeds under it on the Aldhani version and by the way the strap was being yanked on those helmets it goes under the TU. Goggles Goggles shall have an aged chrome or silver frame with detail painting and weathering to match reference image. Goggles shall have a trim around metallic frame. Trim shall be rubber or foam. The Goggle strap mounts directly to the rubber or foam trim. Goggles have a green tinted lens featuring two flat panels on each side. Goggle Strap features two sizes of elastic. The thinner elastic strap attaches directly to the goggles and is sewn to the larger strap, which forms the main goggle strap. The goggle strap features a number of buckles: There are metallic buckles on each side of the goggles through which the 1" (25.4mm) elastic is threaded. A large buckle greeblie on the back side through which the 1.5" (40mm) elastic is threaded. This greeblie features a square inset into the buckle matching the helmet color. A black 1.5" (40mm) triglide is permitted on the right side of the buckle at the rear of the helmet. Goggles are worn just above the brim of the helmet. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): Serrated 1" (25mm) silver slide buckles on each side of the goggles through which the 1" (25mm) elastic is threaded. Goggle straps are approximately 1" (25mm) and 1.5" (40mm). 1” (25mm) webbing elastic is should be used to attach serrated buckle to goggles. Goggles and strap are permanently mounted to the helmet. Goggle strap has the Telemetry Unit mounted directly to it on the right side of the helmet. Quote

I have posted the final text of the Security Trooper helmet to the first page. Lets take a look at the goggles. We know the tinted lens is green or dark green, it seems to shift around. It may also come down to whether the helmet was a stunt helmet, a closeup character helmet, or background character. Goggles Goggles shall have an aged chrome or silver frame with detail painting and weathering to match reference image. Goggles shall have a trim around metallic frame. Trim shall be rubber or foam. Goggles have a green tinted lens featuring two flat panels on each side. Goggle Strap features two sizes of elastic. The thinner elastic strap attaches directly to the goggles and is sewn to the larger strap, which forms the main goggle strap. The goggle strap features a number of buckles: There are metallic buckles on each side of the goggles through which the 1" (25.4mm) elastic is threaded. A large buckle greeblie on the back side through which the 1.5" (40mm) elastic is threaded. This greeblie features a square inset into the buckle matching the helmet color. Goggles are worn just above the brim of the helmet. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): Serrated 1" (25mm) slide buckles on each side of the goggles through which the 1" (25mm) elastic is threaded. Goggle straps are approximately 1" (25mm) and 1.5" (40mm). 1” (25mm) webbing should be used to attach serrated buckle to goggles. Goggles and strap are permanently mounted to the helmet. Goggle strap has the Telemetry Unit mounted directly to it on the right side of the helmet.

the darker green shade is what we have been using.

we have discussed the helmet interior extensively and know that there are two linings, one webbing and one foam around the perimeter for the guys taking the falls. l Helmet proposal V.1.4.1 Helmet An open-faced, flared helmet which consists of a dome with rim and helmet skirt. A telemetry unit is attached to the right side of the dome and is aligned with the rim. The telemetry unit consists of a rectangle box with detailing that should match the reference image. The telemetry unit is black. The lower end of the telemetry unit sits out from the helmet to allow the goggle elastic to feed underneath. A raised lip covers the edge of the helmet rim. The lip may be either molded in place, or added as a black trim. Trim shall not exceed 3/8" (10mm" Metal/silver Imperial code disks are positioned on both sides of the helmet skirt. The helmet is to be painted black to match the armor. The helmet has a black chin cup with grey webbing strap. The strap has a snap connecting to a shorter segment mounted to the left side of the helmet. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): The trim on the helmet rim is a black trim added to the helmet. The helmet has a 3 inch (76.5mm) web suspension with foam around the perimeter. Imperial Code Disks do not feature a notch or groove details. Goggles and strap may be permanently mounted to the helmet, with the telemetry unit mounted directly atop the goggle strap. The chin cup is similar to a Rawlings athletic chin cup.

ollive green is a technical term more than a color. Rememeber on the H harness the back is not straight up and down, it angles so that the strap follows the contour of your shoulder. The backside narrows towards the pistol belt.

There is an old tutorial out there thats been around longer than I have. These are not the easiest thing to make, and they take practice to look right. Mine is old and has no interior interfacing so its floppy as hell. Interfacing inside makes it stand up correctly. I have never had success with removing color and dying. You would want to use a color remover , not bleach. Bleach damages the fibers. Put the two side by side in the sun and post a pic and let us see what you have.

reminds me of whats in old snakebite kits. Lets wrap this up and move on. Helmet proposal V.1.4 (FINAL) Helmet An open-faced, flared helmet which consists of a dome with rim and helmet skirt. A telemetry unit is attached to the right side of the dome and is aligned with the rim. The telemetry unit consists of a rectangle box with detailing that should match the reference image. The telemetry unit is black. The lower end of the telemetry unit sits out from the helmet to allow the goggle elastic to feed underneath. A raised lip covers the edge of the helmet rim. The lip may be either molded in place, or added as a black trim. Trim shall not exceed 3/8" (10mm" Metal/silver Imperial code disks are positioned on both sides of the helmet skirt. The helmet is to be painted black to match the armor. The helmet has a black chin cup with grey webbing strap. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): The trim on the helmet rim is a black trim added to the helmet. The helmet has a 3 inch (76.5mm) web suspension with foam around the perimeter. Imperial Code Disks do not feature a notch or groove details. Goggles and strap may be permanently mounted to the helmet, with the telemetry unit mounted directly atop the goggle strap. The chin cup is similar to a Rawlings athletic chin cup.