Blackwatch

just to make sure im on the same track, would that be the guy in the hotel that Cassian takes down? Or did you spot another one? Edit-- I got these pics from Shayan

Ok, lets talk blaster E 10.5. and or R1 E11. Not much too it, very little screen time. has a picatinny rail on the right for the flashlight which is not mounted. I dont want to get the discussion moved over to the other topic, but there is a seperate topic on the weapon itself with some good discussin. That said, the CRL discussion needs to happen here:

I agree, we really do need a model that meets L2 spec. While the backpack IS optional we dont necessarily need it for the gallery until one is built. Since the baton is so prevalent we will need that and it looks like @BigJasoni is handling that for us. Updating Shin text on the first page. Im ready to see this get pubished!

Ok so looking back we never actually finished shins because we were wrapped up in boots. Look at my proposal V1.1 above, and when I condense it to V1.2 here, this is what we would get: Shins The shin plates (greaves) attach directly to the front of the wearers' shin using two flexible rubber straps that thread through the back of the greaves. Each strap affixes on the outer edge of the boot via a cam style buckle. The rubber straps are ribbed and equal in size. Straps extend from each buckle and the inner side of the greaves. A "T" shaped knee plate is affixed to both greaves that may appear to angle slightly away from the knee. The "T" shaped plate features a slightly curved rectangle feature that follows the upper edge. The rectangle is raised. Two triangular prism-shaped ‘knuckles’ are evident beneath the "T" shaped knee plate. The top and bottom facets are longer than the side facets. The greaves feature vertical indents and recessed rectangles that should match the reference image. The bottom of the greaves angle outward to follow the curvature of the boot/foot. Shins are painted to match the armor and should be weathered to match the boots. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): The shin buckle shape is different than the shoulder buckles. The rear lever bar is shorter with a more distinct curve. Rubber straps are approx. 1.5” (40mm) wide. The shin armor is moderately weathered with grey paint simlar to Pantone 433u.

ok so I dont see any more posts, im locking down the text and updating the first page.

are you talking about the pyramid part on the top of the T ?

i think they all carried the baton, but I do see a couple of dudes inside the HQ area withjust the clips which means the baton is out so they can sit down. Some of this stuff has to be found. We know what parts of it are. Some are clearly made for the prop. Anyone who is a pack specialist like Crookknight may be able to sort this The box itself is just a box, maybe a toaster oven? Anyway lets circle back to finishing up the belt and boxes Softie /Squishie guys belt & Boxes proposal V.2 Belt Belt is construction from a non-textured leather or leather-like material. Approximately 2" (50.8 mm) in width, up to 3" (76.2 mm) is acceptable. There are no loops on the belt. A single large snap or rivet is visible approximately 1" (25.4 mm) to the wearers left from the buckle. The buckle is constructed from a horizontally brushed metal, or metal looking material. The buckle size is approximately 2 5⁄8" (66.7 mm) high and 4 1⁄8" (104.5 mm) wide with 0.5" (12.7 mm) radius rounded corners. Buckle is adorned with a Rogue One type Code Disk without grooves at the center. The belt is worn above the top of the lower pocket flap top edge. The belt features two boxes, one on either side of the buckle. The boxes are Rogue One style boxes, the dimensions are approximately 3" (76.2mm) tall x 2" (50.8mm) wide, x 1" (25.4mm) thick. The belt may feature up to four more additonal boxes, for a total of six boxes, placed equideistant around the belt in screen accurate positions. Boxes shall be painted to match the armor matte black with no weathering. gunmetal or olive grey. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): Belt is made of leather. Belt has a groove at top and bottom edge of the belt along its length. Any further discussion on this? can I wrap and lock it?

You know, gunmetal crossed my mind but I convinced myself it was an optical delusion. Gunmetal is already in the CRL list for Ahldani troopers, it would make sense to re-use them. To begin work on the pack, we really need side views. Udated proposoal. Im adding the missing line about the grooved belt which is visible , for L2. Softie /Squishie guys belt & Boxes proposal V.2 Belt Belt is construction from a non-textured leather or leather-like material. Approximately 2" (50.8 mm) in width, up to 3" (76.2 mm) is acceptable. There are no loops on the belt. A single large snap or rivet is visible approximately 1" (25.4 mm) to the wearers left from the buckle. The buckle is constructed from a horizontally brushed metal, or metal looking material. The buckle size is approximately 2 5⁄8" (66.7 mm) high and 4 1⁄8" (104.5 mm) wide with 0.5" (12.7 mm) radius rounded corners. Buckle is adorned with a Rogue One type Code Disk without grooves at the center. The belt is worn above the top of the lower pocket flap top edge. The belt features two boxes, one on either side of the buckle. The boxes are Rogue One style boxes, the dimensions are approximately 3" (76.2mm) tall x 2" (50.8mm) wide, x 1" (25.4mm) thick. The belt may feature up to four more additonal boxes, for a total of six boxes, placed equideistant around the belt in screen accurate positions. Boxes shall be painted to match the armor matte black with no weathering. gunmetal or olive grey. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): Belt is made of leather. Belt has a groove at top and bottom edge of the belt along its length.

There are a couple of ways to do it: 1: real mud. I mow my yard and go tromping through the ditches at my house, getting real mud on them. 2: craft paint. More durable than real mud that flakes off. I use a couple of different tan/browns, and a light grey, and mix one of thet wo colors for a new shade. That gets worked deep into the crevices and where mud naturally accumulates. I know how I always looked in the Army, when I was out in the mud and slop, so thats where I dirty myself up. also, my goggles were always filthy from handling them, thas why I have mud on them. Its actually more like a clay from my backyard, our clay in South Louisiana is typically grey or sometimes yellowish. In my boot pics here, taken before my L2 approval, I used craft paint to work the colors on permanently before going out to my ditch to get filthy. My web gear nd helmet also have craft paints sponged on. HTH and I look forward to your Specialist approval!

See my post above as well ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Heres the current Belt and boxes posted on the first page: Belt Belt is construction from a non-textured leather or leather-like material. Approximately 2" (50.8 mm) in width, up to 3" (76.2 mm) is acceptable. There are no loops on the belt. A single large snap or rivet is visible approximately 1" (25.4 mm) to the wearers left from the buckle. The buckle is constructed from a horizontally brushed metal, or metal looking material. The buckle size is approximately 2 5⁄8" (66.7 mm) high and 4 1⁄8" (104.5 mm) wide with 0.5" (12.7 mm) radius rounded corners. Buckle is adorned with a Rogue One type Code Disk without grooves at the center. The belt is worn above the top of the lower pocket flap top edge. The belt features two boxes, one on either side of the buckle. The boxes are Rogue One style boxes, the dimensions are approximately 3" (76.2mm) tall x 2" (50.8mm) wide, x 1" (25.4mm) thick. Boxes shall be painted to match the armor. For the tabbed out version of the softie/squishie guys I propose this: Softie /Squishie guys belt & Boxes proposal V.1 Belt Belt is construction from a non-textured leather or leather-like material. Approximately 2" (50.8 mm) in width, up to 3" (76.2 mm) is acceptable. There are no loops on the belt. A single large snap or rivet is visible approximately 1" (25.4 mm) to the wearers left from the buckle. The buckle is constructed from a horizontally brushed metal, or metal looking material. The buckle size is approximately 2 5⁄8" (66.7 mm) high and 4 1⁄8" (104.5 mm) wide with 0.5" (12.7 mm) radius rounded corners. Buckle is adorned with a Rogue One type Code Disk without grooves at the center. The belt is worn above the top of the lower pocket flap top edge. The belt features two boxes, one on either side of the buckle. The belt may feature up to four more additonal boxes, for a total of six boxes, placed equideistant around the belt in screen accurate positions. The boxes are Rogue One style boxes, the dimensions are approximately 3" (76.2mm) tall x 2" (50.8mm) wide, x 1" (25.4mm) thick. Boxes shall be painted to match the armor matte black with no weathering.

I just took another look at the backpack. We get the back shot, which is mosty shadowed and we cant see muich in the way of detail. When someone inevitably asks "BUT WHAT ABOUT THE RADIO BACKPACK?????!!!!?????" I will invite them to write the CRL proposal and use the picture posted to the refernce page post. Two people use it in one scene- that doesnt make it a major prop or part of the continuing storyline. At this point and with no further discussion on the Baton and its holster, I will wrap the proposed text from my post above and update the CRL proposal on the very first page of this topic. Edit- With regard to the E11 thats carried by the trooper with no armor in the hotel, its a standard R1 E-11 with the piccatinni rail on the right front, sans flashlight. Otherwise its a straight R1 E11 and at the beginning of the scene with the GCO calls out the troopers to the street you can see two E11s stacked on a table or box in the back of the scene. I think we can just take the standard R1 E-11 text, delete the flashlight, and use that for the option.

dropping in, I just ogt back from one of my insane out of state back to state to out of state to back to state road trips. I would rather not break them out to a totally separate CRL, since we are good at effectively using the tab system. Its an option, just likt the headphones were for the Garrison troopers on aldhani. Baton Proposal Final Baton Metal or metal-like tube. Approximately 12 inches (30.5cm) in length when collapsed. Rounded caps on each end, metallic grey or silver in color. Has grips on both ends that leave only a small gap in the middle of the baton. Grips may be made of neoprene or foam, and may be ribbed or left plain. One end of the baton may "extend" approximately 10 inches (25.4 cm). Baton is only present when the holster is present. Baton Holster Hoster is mounted to the left side of the wearer's belt. Curved holder which fits around the middle part of the baton. Baton is carried n the holster at a slight angle. Lower part is curved. Baton is retained with a leather or flexible rubber strap.

Im ready to wrap the Baton. On the radio backpack, I havent even begun to really look at it, ive had my hands more than full with a dozen things for the past several months. Ill look over the blaster, it would not Suprise me if its the same, just shipped to a different location.

PING Checking in on this.

I have a WTF helmet that I won in the Stop Soldier Suicide prevention fundraiser giveaway. Now that I have it iin hand, I see two things- The shape IS different from my other helmets (Cuckblack and Spike). The snout slopes back at the top, and the visor extends forward extending over the front edge of the snout at the top. This is clearly differnt from what our source art shows. The source art indicaes a short visor, nearly vertical, with the visor stopping short of the snout. As Ryan pointed out, our sources are game art, comics and other sources which do not match. But, as an owner of a WTF helmet, Id say it does not quite align with the images ot of the art. Other helmets do the same and this is in no way a slam against Walt or his work. But, the helemt itself would need work to match our references, primarily making sure that the snout is vertical and not sloped. If you take a look at our CRL for the shadow scout, the helmet David is wearing has the same or similar slope of the visor, which does not match the art. I dont know that ANY helmet matches that angle without surgury.

Fraser it has to be odd to see yourself on screen like that. When I read this my first thought was it was the picc rail, without the light. Lets get through the Security Trooper CRL process and we can swing back over to look at things we need to do to the Aldhani troopers.

From the art in the comic, there are no straps. We dont see anything like straps until the modern TV era and newer movies. Here is the original source art that all work for the CRL was based from

any chance you posted the flaps for the baton holster?

Morning everyone, glad to be back. My post of a month ago was NOTHING compared to the past week. Id love to get this wrapped up since we are down to small parts. Can we agree on this text so we can move forward towards completion? Baton Proposal text . V1.2 Baton Metal or metal-like tube. Approximately 12 inches (30.5cm) in length when collapsed. Rounded caps on each end, metallic grey or silver in color. Has ribbed rubber-like or neoprene grips on both ends that leave only a small gap in the middle of the baton. Grips may be made of neoprene or foam, and may be ribbed or left plain. One end of the baton may "extend" approximately 10 inches (25.4 cm). Baton is only present when the holster is present. Baton Holster Hoster is mounted to the left side of the wearer's belt. Curved holder which fits around the middle part of the baton. Baton is carried horizontally in the holster at a slight angle. Lower part is curved. Baton is retained with a leather or flexible rubber strap.

love this thread, thanks Jason! Ive been using the Siriyatech Blue, it prints great with test prints but the supports just rip off the model. I still dont have my settings right, but its TOUGH.

Sorry to reply so late to this have been buried for weeks. Yes your GML will be the approval person, THAT SAID, we encourage you go to for Specialist approval, Boots Calf high black leather or leather like material. Free of laces, decorative stitching, buckles on the instep or any other embellishments. If seams are present on the shaft, they are at the rear only. Boots may have a single adjustment strap at the top outside of the boot, with the buckle no wider than 1" (25.4mm). This need not be functional. Jackboot buckles should not be shiny/can be painted dingy grey or gun-metal color. Zippers on the inside of the boot are acceptable, so long as they are concealed. If the zipper is not covered by vinyl/ leather, it is painted black. German “jack boot” style boots are most canon. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): Boots are made of leather. We MAY be changing the text on the boot to remove or modify the line "jack boot is most canon" since we have realized that the Bundes boot is more correct. But until that change is made, which may not be for a while (if it happens) what is posted is what we go by.

hey everyone, apologies on my part for my absence. This has probably been the busiest six weeks of my entire life. Im just now starting to see the surface. Ive been working up to 22 hours a day. its been rediculous, and theres no letup in sight but I have a moment to get in and post. So on the baton I see what you mean, looks like longitudinal grooves along the hand grip. I wonder what that actually IS, unless it was like a piece of neoprene that was grooved with a knife? Jason I like the simplicity of the build and the plugs.

I looked at it again, and in one pic I can kind of see a shadow that looks like its ribbed. May have been just regular floor runner glued around the pipe. If these things actually do extend with a spring and simple release then the weight of that and the inner rod would cause that end to sag. So, Baton Proposal text . V1.1 Baton Metal or metal-like tube. Approximately 12 inches (30.5cm) in length when collapsed. Rounded caps on each end, metallic grey or silver in color. Has ribbed rubber-like or neoprene grips on both ends that leave only a small gap in the middle of the baton. One end of the baton may "extend" approximately 10 inches (25.4 cm). Baton is only present when the holster is present. Baton Holster Hoster is mounted to the left side of the wearer's belt. Curved holder which fits around the middle part of the baton. Baton is carried horizontally in the holster at a slight angle. Lower part is curved. Baton is retained with a leather or flexible rubber strap.

Any further discussion on this? its small, but fairly important. So, Baton Proposal text . V1.0 Baton Metal or metal-like tube. Approximately 12 inches (30.5cm) in length when collapsed. Rounded caps on each end, metallic grey or silver in color. Has rubber-like or neoprene grips on both ends that leave only a small gap in the middle of the baton. One end of the baton may "extend" approximately 10 inches (25.4 cm). Baton is only present when the holster is present. Baton Holster Hoster is mounted to the left side of the wearer's belt. Curved holder which fits around the middle part of the baton. Baton is carried horizontally in the holster. Lower part is curved. Baton is retained with a leather or flexible rubber strap.

Agreed and agreed. It may just be a simple half C shape with a flap to keep it closed. Ive been on the road for about a week so Im just now getting back to this.