Blackwatch

yeah Paul if youve got a beat up old belt, throw a bit of weathering on it and rock it. Not Mimban trooper level weathering, but light enough that its not Death Star TK white.

The start of my Security Trooper WIP. Cause I refuse to call it the ISB Security Trooper 😄😆😁 I plan to do Sgt Gharial, our mustachiod hero of the Tac Squad. In progress In hand Gotta figure it out Hat Tunic Chest Armor Back Armor Shoulder Armor Bicep Armor Forearm Armor Hand Plates Gloves I got Endor Finders gloves last night. They fit! Upper Belt Lower Belt Hip Plates Trousers Shin armor Boots Optional parts Tac Vest I got my Viper rig last night, it needs a full modifiction to show apperance. Radio I got my ChiCom knockoff Cobra mic off fleabay in the mail last nigth. Very quick shipping. Mic button is a little stiffer than I r'memer of the old Cobra mic's needs to be moddd and have the parts printed and added for show appearance. Blaster Goggles

Im working on the CRl, and as we all know its a work in progress. We strongly encourage discussion from the group, so that its not just staff doing all the research You may very well see something we miss. Jarred im next door in BAG and now that Ive lost all my weight I am about your build ill be doing Sgt. Gharial as well. How do you like the Jim Tripon soft goods? I had his ICAT jacket, built to measure and it seemed really big on me and thats before I lost all my weight. Im likely to order from him again but id love some recent feedback. On the ribbed belt Ill be writing it for nylon and for rubber. Ive used thin rubber runner on my BSG knuckledragger vest. it was a wider spacing, but i know you can get it both thinner and in thinner rib spacing. it had a thick backing, but overall it was very pliable once warmed up. Those knuckledragger vests wrap all the way around you and they move with you fiarly well since the actors were all over the Vipers and othe stuff they worked on. I think the real ones were actually made of conveyor belt material for that show, but looking at the 4K screencaps it really does look like rubber on the ISB team. The polypro you listed looks just like it and Im favoring that at L1 approval level. Im following along, I just put in my Ebay order for the ChiCom Ebay Cobra mike knockoff. For 14 bucks shipped thats better than my sanding all day.

its been several days since any new posts have been made, and Im ready to clear and lock. Final proposal: Flightsuit One-piece flight suit is made out of a suitably heavy fabric. A canvas style fabric is most suitable, but other fabrics consistent with the visual references are entirely acceptable. The front zipper is covered by a 2" (50mm) wide piece of leather or leather-like material with vertical lines that attaches with Velcro over the zipper. Approximately 1.5" (38mm) tall mandarin collar with a chevron shaped, left-over-right Velcro closure. A 2.5" (63.5mm) red embroidered or PVC Inferno Squad emblem, on a black background, is present on both shoulders. The shoulders of the suit are slightly padded. A compad pocket that properly fits the compad is placed above the left glove so that the pocket is not hidden and faces outward on the arm. On the left bicep below the cog emblem, there is a code cylinder pocket with no flap, and vertical stitching dividing it into pen sleeves. No code cylinders are present. There is a piece of nylon strapping sewn below the pen sleeve openings and is the same length as the top of the pocket. The bottom front corner of the pocket is cut off at a bevel on the side pointing in view direction, with the broader upside forming the border of the pen sleeves. The right sleeve has a cargo pocket below the cog emblem. The right arm pocket has a chevron flap. Two large chest pockets and two large front pockets with no zippers or flaps are present below the belt There are no leg pockets below the knees. There are two red stripes that run up the right side of the flight suit. The first begins at the bottom of the right leg and continues up to the right armpit. The second begins at the right wrist and stops at the bottom of the arm pocket. The stripe then continues above the arm pocket, behind the patch emblem to the shoulder seam. The red arm stripe stops at the top of the shoulder seam, but continues up and over the shoulder as a black stripe. There are two black stripes that run up the left side of the flight suit. The first begins at the bottom of the left leg and continues up to the left armpit. The second begins at the left wrist and stops at the bottom of the arm pocket. The stripe then continues above the arm pocket, behind the patch emblem to the shoulder seam. The black arm stripe stops at the top of the shoulder seam, but continues up and over the shoulder to the collar. For basic approval this can be accomplished with topstitching. The black portion of this stripe stops at the collar. A piece of leather or leather-like material is sewn below the pen sleeve openings and is the same length as the top of the pocket. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): Patches are vinyl on textile with no edge border. If twill is used for the patch material the fabric texture will be vertically oriented. The black stripes on top of the shoulders shall be a material matching texture and weave of the red stripe. Textured canvas is most accurate for the flightsuits construction as it is a thick materials with a "solid" structure. A "loose", soft or lightweight material is not accurate. Armor Armor consists of front and back pieces connected by shoulder bridges anchored by wedge connectors. Armor is glossy black. Chest and back plate meet flush at the sides under the arms. This is done with a third plate that bridges the gap between the front and back armor parts. This is best achieved with material matching the rest of the hard armor parts, but more flexible options are also accepted so long as the visual appearance matches the rest of the Armor (eg. non-textured black leather.) Molded black, ribbed, rubber shoulder bridges are acceptable. Back plate contains detailed "O II" design. The top of the back plate box may feature a trapezoid shaped depression 4" x 5" (101mm x 127mm) at the top of the box. There is a 5/16" (8mm) circular depression below the right shoulder strap connector on the back plate. Armor may be lightly stained or weathered. Silver is not permitted. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): Made with reference to the game's 3D model and scaled to the wearer. Armor scaling and strapping must fit the wearer accurately. "O II" design shall have 16 points on the "O" design and "II" bars shall have 5 indented slot depressions at the bottom of each bar matching references. Trapezoid shaped depression at the top of the box shall match game refences for size, shape and location. Any visible staining or weathering must be light. Silver is not permitted. Shoulder Ammo Pouch There is an MP-40 style ammo pouch attached to the left shoulder and it must be filled. The pouch is made of black canvas, or canvas-like material with black stitching. Closure straps are made of black leather or leather-like material. There is a small oiler-style pouch on the bottom of the pouch at the right side. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): Attachment is not seen. No straps are visible. Magnets or another source of firm mounting are advised.

i agree to a point with copying the text, but I think we can add an L2 requirement for the more conical shape. Actually this is the same shape we saw with the first Officer addressing Vader on the DS hallway. Im pliable both ways on the hat. I dont want to fall back into the quagmire we did with the black secuirty officer, under the belief at the time we could adopt the green Andor text and change it "green" to "black" 😐 From the IOC: Imperial Hat, Black Hat is OPTIONAL since Meero is seen with hat and both on and off. Fabric is a medium weight suiting material matching the pants and tunic if applicable. Cavalry Twill or a Gabardine style weave is most accurate. Black color matches the pants. Base of the hat is conical, with a crown about 4" (101.6 mm) tall. Front and rear “flaps” overlap on the sides, with the back flap over the front, and are about 4 inches (101.6 mm) high. Front bill extends 3" down, decorated with (5) (6) or (7) concentric stitches. Imperial Code Disk is positioned in the center of the front vertical "flap." OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): Code Disk has NO notch detail on the outermost disk. OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable): All "flap" outer edges shall be wrapped with bias tape made from the same fabric as the rest of main hat material. Code Disk exactly matches screen-used prop. From our Security trooper: Hat — Version Two Fabric matches the tunic and pants. Base of the hat is conical, with a crown about 4" (101.6mm) tall. Front and rear “flaps” overlap on the sides and are about 4" (101.6mm) high. Front bill extends 3" (76.2mm) down, decorated with (5), (6), (7) or (8) concentric stitches. An Imperial Code Disk is positioned in the center of the front vertical “flap”. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): Disks do not feature a notch or groove details. The bones of these two are the same. We CAN forgo the appearance of the hat, maybe two different costume makers made them ever so slightly different. I dont know ive never been on a set and I dont know how things run there but if these are in fact leftover/ reused costumes, im willing to concede to keeping what we have. Especially if you are going to throw goggles on top and its going to crush the crap out of the hat. I wont be wearing a hat anyway when Im in Sergeant Gharial! 😆

im loving your work on the riot sheild. You did a ton of research and thats proving itself. Im of the opinion on the baton holster that it should be fairly simple. It was just a loop to hold it in place for the actors. We got a pretty good discussion for the CRL creation.

Hi Paul take a look at the reference images that I wrote the CRL from. These guys are working in the mud and slop and the Empire's Army isn't exactly a clean spit and polish army. Even the Tks get in the mud with officers like Sunbur leading from the front. The Sappers get even dirtier and its just that plain old dirt. The CRL image shows a very lightly weathered belt.

yes agreed and big thanks to Sebastian for pulling our Mudtrooper / Armored Security trooper text as he base framework to work from here. It was about this time last night when I was working on that ,and my brain doesn't brain this well at night in a hotel room. I forgot our color change indications last night when I posted. Starting with Sebastian's text from above, and reffing to Meero's conical hat. Change log 1.1 Hat — Version Two Fabric matches the tunic and pants. Base of the hat is conical, with a crown about 4" (101.6mm) tall. Front and rear “flaps” overlap on the sides and are about 4" (101.6mm) high. Front bill extends 3" (76.2mm) down, decorated with (5), (6), (7) or (8) concentric stitches. An Imperial Code Disk is positioned in the center of the front vertical “flap”. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): Disks do not feature a notch or groove details. Hat is more conical in shape than standard Imperial hats.

And, here-we-go Hat text will begin with the base text for the Security Trooper Version 2, no armor, with hat. From our Security Trooper CRL: Hat — Version Two Fabric matches the tunic and pants. Base of the hat is conical, with a crown about 4" (101.6mm) tall. Front and rear “flaps” overlap on the sides and are about 4" (101.6mm) high. Front bill extends 3" (76.2mm) down, decorated with (5), (6), (7) or (8) concentric stitches. An Imperial Code Disk is positioned in the center of the front vertical “flap”. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): Disks do not feature a notch or groove details. Discussion: The hats are smaller at the top creating more of a truncated cone than in the past. Its subtle, but its there. The slope angle is slightly different. Another thing I note is that the disc greeblie does not look like the standard greeblie we have always used in the past. Its looks slighly smaller, and has a more significant step to it.

With Del CRL update moving toward completion, and keeping an eye on our other Andor troopers who are recieving updated information as well this is one I had hoped for since the first previews. Im very excited we get to be the parent Detachment for this costume. And I see from our first , initial WIP topics that this will prove to be a very popular option. The quality of our refeence images has signifcantly gone up since we wrote the Mudtrooper CRL with its dark, murky images and Andors motion blur. These screen images are often crystal clear. Ready to get started!

ive been so busy these last two months Im just now seeing this. Thanks Shayan. The TL50 is so damn customizable I didnt see it. I printed one for our Iden to carry and now when I look at Lears blaster in the source art I see the bones of it.

i think thats the easiest and most practical solution. I know from scaling a bunch of (actually 30 of them) pirate hook STLs for my CO I had to make a bunch of adapter rings and I had to keep playing with the percentage until I got something like 87.7% size to where it would actually FIT the thing

I have to look at this and make a positive out of it. OK- so I dont get to repurpose most of Del and get a secondary character out of it. HOWEVER we were given the tactical agent. we have traded a relatively lower cost/ lower interest build for what will prove to be as insanely popular as our armored Army troopers. For me, this is a tradeoff Im willing to accept.

very very interesting, from struggling with my own I can see why wardrobe would want to put a regular white quick side release buckle on there. only weirdos like us would dare look at a boot!

we have been green-lighted for the Tactical Armor agent, and will proceed to break it down.

Proposed final text REVISIONS BELOW: Flightsuit One-piece flight suit is made out of canvas or similar heavy material. A canvas style fabric is most suitable, but other fabrics consistent with the visual references are entirely acceptable. The front zipper is covered by a 2" (50mm) wide piece of leather or leather-like material with vertical lines that attaches with Velcro over the zipper. Approximately 1.5" (38mm) tall mandarin collar with a chevron shaped, left-over-right Velcro closure. A 2.5" (63.5mm) red embroidered or PVC Inferno Squad emblem, on a black background, is present on both shoulders. The shoulders of the suit are slightly padded. A compad pocket that properly fits the compad is placed above the left glove so that the pocket is not hidden and faces outward on the arm. On the left bicep below the cog emblem, there is a code cylinder pocket with no flap, and vertical stitching dividing it into pen sleeves. No code cylinders are present. There is a piece of nylon strapping sewn below the pen sleeve openings and is the same length as the top of the pocket. The bottom front corner of the pocket is cut off at a bevel on the side pointing in view direction, with the broader upside forming the border of the pen sleeves. The right sleeve has a cargo pocket below the cog emblem. The right arm pocket has a chevron flap. Two large chest pockets and two large front pockets with no zippers or flaps are present below the belt There are no leg pockets below the knees. There are two red stripes that run up the right side of the flight suit. The first begins at the bottom of the right leg and continues up to the right armpit. The second begins at the right wrist and stops at the bottom of the arm pocket. The stripe then continues above the arm pocket, behind the patch emblem to the shoulder seam. The red arm stripe stops at the top of the shoulder seam, but continues up and over the shoulder as a black stripe. There are two black stripes that run up the left side of the flight suit. The first begins at the bottom of the left leg and continues up to the left armpit. The second begins at the left wrist and stops at the bottom of the arm pocket. The stripe then continues above the arm pocket, behind the patch emblem to the shoulder seam. The black arm stripe stops at the top of the shoulder seam, but continues up and over the shoulder to the collar. For basic approval this can be accomplished with topstitching. The black portion of this stripe stops at the collar. A piece of leather or leather-like material is sewn below the pen sleeve openings and is the same length as the top of the pocket. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): Patches are vinyl on textile with no edge border. If twill is used for the patch material the fabric texture will be vertically oriented. The black stripes on top of the shoulders shall be a material matching texture and weave of the red stripe. Textured canvas is most accurate for the flightsuits construction as it is a thick materials with a "solid" structure. A "loose", soft or lightweight material is not accurate. Armor Armor consists of front and back pieces connected by shoulder bridges anchored by wedge connectors. Armor is glossy black. Chest and back plate meet flush at the sides under the arms. This is done with a third plate that bridges the gap between the front and back armor parts. This is best achieved with material matching the rest of the hard armor parts, but more flexible options are also accepted so long as the visual appearance matches the rest of the Armor (eg. non-textured black leather. Molded black, ribbed, rubber shoulder bridges are acceptable. Back plate contains detailed "O II" design. The top of the back plate box may feature a trapezoid shaped depression 4" x 5" (101mm x 127mm) at the top of the box. There is a 5/16" (8mm) circular depression below the right shoulder strap connector on the back plate. Armor may be lightly stained or weathered. Silver is not permitted. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): Made with reference to the game's 3D model and scaled to the wearer. Armor scaling and strapping must fit the wearer accurately. "O II" design shall have 16 points on the "O" design and "II" bars shall have 5 indented slot depressions at the bottom of each bar matching references. Trapezoid shaped depression at the top of the box shall match game refences for size, shape and location. Any visible staining or weathering must be light. Silver is not permitted. Shoulder Ammo Pouch There is an MP-40 style ammo pouch attached to the left shoulder and it must be filled. The pouch is made of black canvas, or canvas-like material with black stitching. Closure straps are made of black leather or leather-like material. There is a small oiler-style pouch on the bottom of the pouch at the right side. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): Attachment is not seen. No straps are visible. Magnets or another source of firm mounting are advised. Oiler pouch is attached to the bottom right side of the right pouch.

I have to agree. I wrote the CRL for Del, and we received no input from the JRS from their development. i don't know what the backstory there was, and im quite sure there was one, but they were not receptive to collaboration. If the JRS staff wishes to collaborate, IF they intend to update Hask/ Iden, they may choose to do so.

now thats interesting,i have to wonder if that will work for jawas! i got some auto window screen mesh on the way and ill chck it when it gets here.

plase check CRLs closely. There ARE differences in the back armor, in the box insets and hose connectors. Make sure youre getting the box insets you need. Also, we have not developed anything from Season2. the LMO has not given us the Greenlight to do so yet.

Ok-its been four days since the last post, so lets move on. here is where we are, and please let me know if I missed something here. Shoulder Ammo Pouch There is an MP-40 style ammo pouch attached to the left shoulder and it must be filled. The pouch is black in color and made of canvas, or canvas-like material. Closure straps are made of black leather or leather-like material. There is a small oiler-style pouch on the bottom of the pouch at the right side. All pouch stitching is black. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): Attachment is not seen. No straps are visible. Magnets or another source of firm mounting are advised. Oiler pouch is attached to the bottom right side of the right pouch. (Is this adding anything to what is written above?) I want to include the verbiage proposals from above so we dont lose sight of them. This would be added to the respective sections: Flightsuit section proposal: One-piece flight suit is made out of a canvas or similar suitably heavy material fabric. A canvas style fabric is most suitable, but other fabrics consistent with the visual references are entirely acceptable." Armor section proposal: "Chest and back plate meet flush at the sides under the arms. This is done with a third plate that bridges the gap between the front and back armor parts. This is best achieved with material matching the rest of the hard armor parts, but more flexible options are also accepted so long as the visual appearance matches the rest of the armor (eg. non-textured black leather)." I'd like to propose this minor change, to get rid of text where we can. Shoulder Ammo Pouch There is an MP-40 style ammo pouch attached to the left shoulder and it must be filled. The pouch is black in color and made of black canvas, or canvas-like material with black stitching. Closure straps are made of black leather or leather-like material. There is a small oiler-style pouch on the bottom of the pouch at the right side. All pouch stitching is black. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): Attachment is not seen. No straps are visible. Magnets or another source of firm mounting are advised. Oiler pouch is attached to the bottom right side of the right pouch. (Is this adding anything to what is written above?)

ive orderd my vest from Jim Tripon as well and Ive asked for specific upgrades from his current offering which is just a copy of the Flyye rig. The L2 requirement is quite specific ( I wrote it and we are rewriting the text at this time- see that topic). The puoches clearly drop below the bottom fo the vest base and the top of the pouch is in line wiht the bottom of the top web strip. I aslo asked him to make the leather straps to the measurements Maxime pulled from the game when we wrote the CRL. They are game magic measuremnts not standard US sizes.

i got a set of bubbles from MonCal, and ive messaged Ople but there is no reply from them. Ive tried to order online, but the online order is not taking orders. Im kinda stuck because while I HAVE bubble lenses from MonCal, I cannot find the correct vinyl mesh with round holes.

after ten days and an insane life experience I am back to the forums Ive read through everything and here's where I am- 1 I was the CRL writer with Anton and Maxime, with a lot of input from Daniel as we created the intiial 2020 rewrite. Anton and Maxime wanted the CRL to be even more restrictive. It was to be almost-unatainable, but I was able to walk them back to agree to what we have now. Had they their way all helmets would be 3d printed and almost unwearable. 2 I'm a GML and former Rebel Legion costume judge. 3 I'm in progress with my own L2 Del build using armor and helmet from PilotBay (Gary) and flightsuit and vest/ thermal from Jimmi Iroqui. That canvas suit is made from the same canvas that Rothco heavy parachute bags are made of. Its very heavy and somewhat stiff, and matches the 'nubbly' and woven apperance of the game capture images. The appearance of the game images is almost like that outdoor canvas with is plastic coated with a visible "weave". The helmet is well covered that it meets game images and there are no screws. I'm personally less interested in comfort for myself since Im going for L2, but I understand others are. In my point of view-as along as a fabric is not "light" and "loose", has a structure, has a prominent weave like we see in the images it will work. Years ago i used bull drill to make a kama for my ATAT door gunner. It was heavy and fairly stiff, but the weave is different. I realize this is the 501st and not the Rebel Legion, but in the RL we get pretty deep in the weeds on weave, drape and hand of a fabric, which tells you how it looks when it is worn. This brings me to my point. I own a bunch of flightsuits from a bunch of makers, including the dozen-odd suits I have converted from commercial coveralls. All of those are twill, with the exception of the canvas Jimmi suit. They all look, feel and wear differently. Wampawear's Inferno oxford canvas suit is just that, oxford canvas. It has a waistband and has very obvious scrunching. I would consider this a light fabric, no heavier than framed painting cavas prior to the paint primer being applied. We have this suit in my Garrison and ive worn it so Im familiar with it. If the waistband was taken out, I feel it should meet L1, but does not really have a visibile weave any more than the regular WW twill mateirai. I have Moncal suits as well and that is a stiffer twill material. If this had a visible weave like seen in game images I feel whatever weight this is would match L2. All of my commercial suits are variou weights and texture, although they are all "twill". Fabrics all wear differently especially after washing. The Inferno suits hold their structure in-game, and they are fairly well-fitted, not the typical slop we see in regular flightsuits. Ive owned and worn all the makers suits from 5XL to my current medium, so Im well versed in how the makers suits look when worn. I just really do not want to add a line of text that the suit should be fitted and not look sloppy since thats in our CRL model photos. The Flyye vest came into discussion because it was used on the Star Wars Show when Radu built the suits for the show. He had 2 weeks to get the suits done and used what he could get. That discussion is well versed in the original CRL rewrite. Its a long but interesting read.

Luke I just pulled everthing into the slicer and it looks great. THANK YOU so much for giving our next generation of Sunbers the ability to get the parts they need to get approved. Here's what I come up with, scaling is great and the pin on the comm/ holder will keep it in place.

Going back to the vest, I believe we can finalize it at this point. Change Log Final ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tactical Vest The tactical vest and its pouches are made of black fabric similar to the flight suit material. Heavy black canvas is recommended. There are three M4 / M16 style magazine pouches fitted to the front of the vest, each filled by a rectangular package covered in the same fabric as the tactical vest. The packages fill the pouches completely, and extend above the pouch. Each package has a black gloss strip mounted to the front at the top, which should appear to be constructed from a similar material to the costume's hard armour parts. There is a block on the right side of the vest matching references, covered by the same black fabric as the tactical vest, held in place by one of the webbing straps described below There are a total of fourteen wide horizontal black webbing straps sewn onto the front of the tactical vest, with four stacked horizontally on either side of the pouches, and two at the front of each pouch. Straps are approximately 1" (25mm) wide and sewn to match reference images. The main shoulder straps are made from leather or leather-like material, which cross at the back and attach to the top edge of the vest on both sides. The front shoulder straps are attached to triglide buckles, which in turn attach to the top front edge of the vest with a shorter strap. The shoulder straps cross near the top of the back armor box. Each shoulder strap runs through a tri-glide at the rear before feeding into approximately 1" (25mm) wide side release buckles which attach to the top edge of the vest. There is a leather or leather-like waist strap (approximately 1" or 25mm wide) present at the back of the tactical vest, and it is attached to the vest with one quick release buckle on the right or left side of the vest at the wearer's option. This quick release buckle is hidden under the scout pouch, and is not seen when worn. A single adjusting tri-glide is centered on the back waist strap. There is a specific buckle greeblie mounted above the front tri-glide buckles on each side, matching reference images. There is a horizontal strip mounted to each front shoulder strap, several inches above the buckle greeblie. The strips should be made from the same material as the shoulder straps. The Flyye tactical vest is not accurate and will not be approved for use. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): The vest is proportional to the wearer. See reference images and the Costume Gallery for placement of specific components. All shoulder and waist straps are made of black leather or leather-like material. Vest front tri-glides are made with reference to the games 3D model, and are attached to the vest with straps that are approximately 1.37" x 1.37" (35mm x 35mm) wide. Buckle style greeblies made with reference to the 3D models are attached to the shoulder straps above the tri-glides. The front shoulder straps which go over the shoulder and continue to the back are made of 3 layers which are glued, sewed or bonded together. Stitching is permitted as long as the stitches are small and do not detract from the overall appearance. The first (bottom) layer is approximately 1.37" (35mm) The middle layer shall be approximately 1" (25mm) wide. The final layer is approximately 9/16" (15mm) wide. The layered part of the leather shoulder straps runs up over the shoulders and stops below the rear of the collar. It then continues on as an approximately 1" (25mm) wide black strap, passing through tri-glides and into side release buckles, which are held to the vest with straps that are approximately 1" (25mm) wide. The three magazine pouches fall below the bottom edge of the vest. The top of the pouch is in line with the bottom edge of the upper webbing strap. The bottom edge of the pouch may come close to but not touch the top edge of the overbelt.