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Hi Scott, and I'm delighted to hear we've more Infernos on the way! I can certainly understand your concern on some of the placements there. I'll do a quick review today to see how it compares to my own flight suit (from a different supplier), and to our references. One thing I would say is not to worry about the references from the appearance on the Star Wars show. Even the manufacturers involved in that have themselves pointed out that was a huge rush job which made it impossible to get everything right. So you only need to worry about the in game references, and the CRL text. Another note - the Inferno compad is significantly smaller than the standard TIE one, and lots of the current flight suits accommodate the larger pad. I myself sewed some velcro into a centre of the window and glued another piece to the back of the compad. That ensures that it is held in place and stays in the centre of the window. I also cut and hemmed back the edges of the window slightly to reveal more of the compad. With regards to it's placement to the glove, the glove should indeed overlap the majority of the compad when your arm is held straight. However if your elbow is bent then naturally the sleeve will tend to ride up a little, revealing more of the compad. Also, as you point out, the patch placement doesn't have specific measurements in the CRL, so it shouldn't be an issue for GML clearance. However, I'd be like you and wanting to get everything as accurate as possible anyway 🙂 I'll do a quick comparitive review later today and get back to you.

Superb. Next stop, Purge Commander 😉

Jetpack second draft: Jetpack: The same basic design as the Sabine Wren / Imperial Super Commando animated jetpack, but matching visual references for paint and markings. Central thruster is painted a dark gunmetal. Side thrusters are painted red and white to match other armour parts, with designs to match visual references. Red areas show medium to heavy weathering to match visual references, white in colour to match other armour parts. There is a curved bridge over the central thruster that is yellow/gold in colour with 3 white designs to match visual references. The height of the bridge piece is approximately 1/5 the length of the central thruster, and the top of the bridge piece is located approximately this same distance from the top of the thruster.

Great. I'll rework the jetpack text this week and press on to the next section.

Looking again, I think it's actually just that Etsy model that has an inaccurate sculpting of the central thruster. The design of Sabine's jetpack matches the ISC jetpack exactly when you look at the references: That Etsy model is just a slightly inaccurate attempt at that: So we definitely need to find or build a more accurate Sabine/ISC jetpack. It is the same jetpack that Saxon wears - the only difference is the paint job / markings. It certainly shouldn't have the scribed markings at the top of the two outer thrusters that can be see in the Etsy photo above. Those markings are accurate for the regular ISC jetpack, but we'll cover that when we get to it.

Yes, it is very similar but would need some new sculpting of the central thruster details, plus getting rid of the detail on the tops of the two side thrusters. We should probably specify that an unmodified "Cody" or "Sabine" jetpack isn't accurate.

I like that wording on the knee armour now. Lower leg armour looks good too, I can't see anything jumping out at me there.

Jetpack first draft: Jetpack: Similar in style to "Cody" animated jetpack, but matching visual references. Central thruster is painted a dark gunmetal. Side thrusters are painted red and white to match other armour parts, with designs to match visual references. Red areas show medium to heavy weathering to match visual references, white in colour to match other armour parts. There is a curved bridge over the central thruster that is yellow/gold in colour with 3 white designs to match visual references. The height of the bridge piece is approximately 1/5 the length of the central thruster, and the top of the bridge piece is located approximately this same distance from the top of the thruster.

Superb effort all, it'll be great to see the updates go live after all this work.

Looks spot on. Just a typo in two places maybe? "ridges *that" run the length..." ? Looks like it copied and pasted down into the optional part too 😉

Apologies, I myself missed the soft uniform guys when catching up on this one. Thanks for adding the extra photos of those guys at the end of the reference photo thread Eric. If the underlying soft parts are the same as those worn under the armour, I'd certainly agree with tabbing them as a variant. No point overcomplicating things.

Sounds good to me 👌

I think this is the way to go for the straps, thanks folks

Also, how is the E-10.5 looking compared to its Andor IAT cousin? Same props reused, or any noticeable tweaks made?

With regards to the optional Radio Backpack, do we have any ID on a found item? It doesn't look on the surface like we'd have much to go on trying to piece it together as a scratch built prop.

Unless it has an incredibly obvious texture or shine to it, I'd be happy to allow any generic strap for basic clearance. If there is some decent evidence that we're dealing with rubber/silicone rather than fabric, I'd agree to place that in Lvl2 as per your suggestion.

Regarding the new lines at the bottom of the chest plates, in some angles it also looks like the edge of each plate then bevels down slightly below each of them. Changes in purple below: Chest Armour and Shoulder Pauldrons Armour is segmented with an Upper Chest Armour overlapping the Lower Chest Armour. These may be permanently fixed together, or fitted separately so long as they as attached firmly together when worn. The Upper Chest Armour also overlaps the Shoulder Pauldrons, which likewise can be permanently fixed, or able to be attached securely when worn. Armour is painted white and red to match reference images, and to match the white and red paint used on the helmet and other hard armour pieces. The front of the Upper Chest Armour has a semi-circular notch cut into the centre of the lower front edge. The red painted inverted triangle at the front covers the entirety of the shoulders and the Shoulder Pauldrons. The lower sides run from the front edge of each Shoulder Pauldron to meet at the semi-circular notch at the bottom of the Upper Chest Armour. A circular white detail indent with black outline is present halfway along the lower left (as worn) side of the front triangle. A linear detail indent borders the lower edge of the upper chest plate. The red painted inverted triangle at the rear likewise covers the entirety of the shoulders and the Shoulder Pauldrons. However the lower sides differ from the front as they run from the lower edge of the Pauldrons down to the bottom centre of the Lower Chest Plate, not the Upper Chest Plate. Note that much of this will be hidden by the Jetpack. The Lower Chest Armour has symmetrical, twin semi-circular notches cut into the lower front edge. The notches line up with the details featured in the Abdominal Armour. The lower edge of the Lower Chest Armour curves down to the sides from a arched centre point at the front centre. The rear edge therefore sits much lower than the front, and covers almost the entirety of the Abdominal Armour underneath. A linear detail indent borders the lower edge of the lower chest plate. The two layers of the Chest Armour may be joined in a clamshell front and back design, so long as the connection point is relatively seamless. Shoulder Straps. White painted hard armour "straps" sit on both shoulders connecting the front and back halves of the Upper Chest Armour. The material and white paint of the straps should match those of the Chest Armour. Abdominal Armour Made from the same hard material as the rest of the armour, and painted white to match all other relevant armour. May be constructed in a clamshell front and back design, so long as the connection point is relatively seamless. Is worn so that it is overlapped by the Lower Chest Armour above it. The Lower Chest Armour curves down at the sides so that almost completely overlaps the Abdominal Armour at the rear. Two symmetrical detail indents are present at the front, to match reference pictures. The outer edges of each design must be aligned with the cut outs at the bottom edge of the Lower Chest Armour. The inner details are rectangular, with a semi-circular top edge that sits just below the semi-circular cut outs on the Lower Chest Plate. The inner details are split into four segments, divided to match reference images.

These images show the needed changes best: There are new "detail indents" visible here. 1) Visible line following the bottom edge of the upper chest plate. 2) Visible line following the bottom edge of the lower chest plate. 3) There is also an extra division in the abdominal detail indents that wasn't visible in the older references.

Got caught up on the chat and references and this looks comprehensive to me, great work all. Any final tweaks needed or can the baton be wrapped up?

Okay, some nice new screens added to the reference gallery, and I'll include the best jetpack ones below. One unfortunate note, the higher quality grabs reveal some new detailing on the torso armour, so we'll have to redo a little bit there. So don't go starting the 3D prints yet mate! There are also some nice shots of the paintwork and weathering that will be useful.

Just so I'm not missing the obvious, am I correct in thinking that the site above only covers S1 of Rebels so far? There's not a button hiding somewhere in plain site that jumps on to the following seasons?

Yes, if there's no visual reference for it my instinct would be to leave the wording as open as possible. If more comes to light later, we can always make a tweak, or just add it in as Lvl2 detail.

It's a question I've wondered about myself in case I ever lose one of mine (they came with my Jim Tripod kit). I'll have a look around and see if I can spot one.

Yes, it's quite frustrating just how few views of the jetpack we have. I might have to go back to basics and do a frame by frame on TCW to see if I can turn up anything better. I'll post them into the reference gallery and put a notification up here if I do.