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At present the revised undersuit text for the Electrostaff trooper is as below. Unless there's visual evidence that the commander has a different suit, it will likely have the same text applied eventually: Undersuit and Neck Seal Undersuit has one-piece or two-piece construction with no visible zippers or logos. All materials are low-sheen leather or leather-like material. Neck seal may be integrated into the suit, or worn over it. Neck seal has 1.5” (38.1mm) vertical ribs. Spacings of the ribs given below are approximate. Shirt has vertical 1” (25.4mm) ribbing across the torso. The horizontal arm ribs taper from approximately 1" (25.4) wide at the torso to ¾" (19mm) at the wrist. Sleeves are joined to the torso with a curved ¼” (6.3mm) rib. The pants have a heavier taper in the vertical rib spacing, starting at 1.5" (38.1mm) wide at the waist to ¾" (19mm) above the ankle. Ribbing appears to meet behind the cod piece. Shoulder Bib Material is low-sheen leather or leather-like material, matching the undersuit. Spacing of the ribs given below are approximate. Center front of the bib has three 1.5" (38.1mm) vertical ribs, with 1.5" (38.1mm) horizontal ribbing on either side. Center rear of the bib has ten 1.5" (38.1mm) vertical ribs, with 1.5" (38.1mm) horizontal ribbing on either side. There is a ½" (12.7mm) rib running along the outside of the garment and around the inside of the neck.

If you take a look over at the discussion thread in the Electrostaff section, that will give you a good idea of what is coming. It's largely building a bit more detail into the original CRL to give future builders more guidance. The photo mode release in FO gave us a chance to go back and see the full costume in far more detail. If you see an identical costume part that is shared by both the commander and the electrostaff trooper, there's a good chance that the new wording in that electrostaff discussion thread will also be applied to the commander when we are done.

Welcome back, and I am sorry to hear that you have had difficulties this year. In positive news, we have recently finished our review of the electrostaff purge trooper, and so are ready to finalise the latest version of the commander too. Because there are so many shared parts, this will hopefully be a much faster task than many other CRL revisions 🙂 We look forward to seeing the rest of your build, and hope that you will be able to assist with the CRL revision too.

The Inferno compad is a little bit smaller than that. The central portion that is visible through the sleeve window should be approximately 2.5" x 2". Of course the "frame" around it can be a little bit bigger if it helps the compad sit in the pocket more securely. There is a margin for error of course, and I think the Iden Versio and Gideon Hask CRLs still allow a full size TIE compad to be clearable.

Hi again Scott, after looking through all the references and having a chat with the team, I think it is worth your while writing to the vendor as you suggest. The images that best sum up the issue are these ones that you shared above: While the written text in the CRL isn't specific about the relative dimensions, the majority of GMLs will (correctly) make a visual comparison their most important reference. I can confidently predict that while some GMLs would clear the above suit, a large proportion would not. Furthermore, it is worth noting that the first image on the vendors website seems to show the arm pockets sitting much closer to the shoulder patches. It is therefore possible that this was a bad batch, and all the more reason for you to bring it to the vendor's attention. Please do provide us with an update when you have one, and don't hesitate to ask any more questions here.

Hi Scott, and I'm delighted to hear we've more Infernos on the way! I can certainly understand your concern on some of the placements there. I'll do a quick review today to see how it compares to my own flight suit (from a different supplier), and to our references. One thing I would say is not to worry about the references from the appearance on the Star Wars show. Even the manufacturers involved in that have themselves pointed out that was a huge rush job which made it impossible to get everything right. So you only need to worry about the in game references, and the CRL text. Another note - the Inferno compad is significantly smaller than the standard TIE one, and lots of the current flight suits accommodate the larger pad. I myself sewed some velcro into a centre of the window and glued another piece to the back of the compad. That ensures that it is held in place and stays in the centre of the window. I also cut and hemmed back the edges of the window slightly to reveal more of the compad. With regards to it's placement to the glove, the glove should indeed overlap the majority of the compad when your arm is held straight. However if your elbow is bent then naturally the sleeve will tend to ride up a little, revealing more of the compad. Also, as you point out, the patch placement doesn't have specific measurements in the CRL, so it shouldn't be an issue for GML clearance. However, I'd be like you and wanting to get everything as accurate as possible anyway 🙂 I'll do a quick comparitive review later today and get back to you.

Superb. Next stop, Purge Commander 😉

Jetpack second draft: Jetpack: The same basic design as the Sabine Wren / Imperial Super Commando animated jetpack, but matching visual references for paint and markings. Central thruster is painted a dark gunmetal. Side thrusters are painted red and white to match other armour parts, with designs to match visual references. Red areas show medium to heavy weathering to match visual references, white in colour to match other armour parts. There is a curved bridge over the central thruster that is yellow/gold in colour with 3 white designs to match visual references. The height of the bridge piece is approximately 1/5 the length of the central thruster, and the top of the bridge piece is located approximately this same distance from the top of the thruster.

Great. I'll rework the jetpack text this week and press on to the next section.

Looking again, I think it's actually just that Etsy model that has an inaccurate sculpting of the central thruster. The design of Sabine's jetpack matches the ISC jetpack exactly when you look at the references: That Etsy model is just a slightly inaccurate attempt at that: So we definitely need to find or build a more accurate Sabine/ISC jetpack. It is the same jetpack that Saxon wears - the only difference is the paint job / markings. It certainly shouldn't have the scribed markings at the top of the two outer thrusters that can be see in the Etsy photo above. Those markings are accurate for the regular ISC jetpack, but we'll cover that when we get to it.

Yes, it is very similar but would need some new sculpting of the central thruster details, plus getting rid of the detail on the tops of the two side thrusters. We should probably specify that an unmodified "Cody" or "Sabine" jetpack isn't accurate.

I like that wording on the knee armour now. Lower leg armour looks good too, I can't see anything jumping out at me there.

Jetpack first draft: Jetpack: Similar in style to "Cody" animated jetpack, but matching visual references. Central thruster is painted a dark gunmetal. Side thrusters are painted red and white to match other armour parts, with designs to match visual references. Red areas show medium to heavy weathering to match visual references, white in colour to match other armour parts. There is a curved bridge over the central thruster that is yellow/gold in colour with 3 white designs to match visual references. The height of the bridge piece is approximately 1/5 the length of the central thruster, and the top of the bridge piece is located approximately this same distance from the top of the thruster.

Superb effort all, it'll be great to see the updates go live after all this work.

Looks spot on. Just a typo in two places maybe? "ridges *that" run the length..." ? Looks like it copied and pasted down into the optional part too 😉

Apologies, I myself missed the soft uniform guys when catching up on this one. Thanks for adding the extra photos of those guys at the end of the reference photo thread Eric. If the underlying soft parts are the same as those worn under the armour, I'd certainly agree with tabbing them as a variant. No point overcomplicating things.

Sounds good to me 👌

I think this is the way to go for the straps, thanks folks

Also, how is the E-10.5 looking compared to its Andor IAT cousin? Same props reused, or any noticeable tweaks made?

With regards to the optional Radio Backpack, do we have any ID on a found item? It doesn't look on the surface like we'd have much to go on trying to piece it together as a scratch built prop.

Unless it has an incredibly obvious texture or shine to it, I'd be happy to allow any generic strap for basic clearance. If there is some decent evidence that we're dealing with rubber/silicone rather than fabric, I'd agree to place that in Lvl2 as per your suggestion.

Regarding the new lines at the bottom of the chest plates, in some angles it also looks like the edge of each plate then bevels down slightly below each of them. Changes in purple below: Chest Armour and Shoulder Pauldrons Armour is segmented with an Upper Chest Armour overlapping the Lower Chest Armour. These may be permanently fixed together, or fitted separately so long as they as attached firmly together when worn. The Upper Chest Armour also overlaps the Shoulder Pauldrons, which likewise can be permanently fixed, or able to be attached securely when worn. Armour is painted white and red to match reference images, and to match the white and red paint used on the helmet and other hard armour pieces. The front of the Upper Chest Armour has a semi-circular notch cut into the centre of the lower front edge. The red painted inverted triangle at the front covers the entirety of the shoulders and the Shoulder Pauldrons. The lower sides run from the front edge of each Shoulder Pauldron to meet at the semi-circular notch at the bottom of the Upper Chest Armour. A circular white detail indent with black outline is present halfway along the lower left (as worn) side of the front triangle. A linear detail indent borders the lower edge of the upper chest plate. The red painted inverted triangle at the rear likewise covers the entirety of the shoulders and the Shoulder Pauldrons. However the lower sides differ from the front as they run from the lower edge of the Pauldrons down to the bottom centre of the Lower Chest Plate, not the Upper Chest Plate. Note that much of this will be hidden by the Jetpack. The Lower Chest Armour has symmetrical, twin semi-circular notches cut into the lower front edge. The notches line up with the details featured in the Abdominal Armour. The lower edge of the Lower Chest Armour curves down to the sides from a arched centre point at the front centre. The rear edge therefore sits much lower than the front, and covers almost the entirety of the Abdominal Armour underneath. A linear detail indent borders the lower edge of the lower chest plate. The two layers of the Chest Armour may be joined in a clamshell front and back design, so long as the connection point is relatively seamless. Shoulder Straps. White painted hard armour "straps" sit on both shoulders connecting the front and back halves of the Upper Chest Armour. The material and white paint of the straps should match those of the Chest Armour. Abdominal Armour Made from the same hard material as the rest of the armour, and painted white to match all other relevant armour. May be constructed in a clamshell front and back design, so long as the connection point is relatively seamless. Is worn so that it is overlapped by the Lower Chest Armour above it. The Lower Chest Armour curves down at the sides so that almost completely overlaps the Abdominal Armour at the rear. Two symmetrical detail indents are present at the front, to match reference pictures. The outer edges of each design must be aligned with the cut outs at the bottom edge of the Lower Chest Armour. The inner details are rectangular, with a semi-circular top edge that sits just below the semi-circular cut outs on the Lower Chest Plate. The inner details are split into four segments, divided to match reference images.

These images show the needed changes best: There are new "detail indents" visible here. 1) Visible line following the bottom edge of the upper chest plate. 2) Visible line following the bottom edge of the lower chest plate. 3) There is also an extra division in the abdominal detail indents that wasn't visible in the older references.

Got caught up on the chat and references and this looks comprehensive to me, great work all. Any final tweaks needed or can the baton be wrapped up?

Okay, some nice new screens added to the reference gallery, and I'll include the best jetpack ones below. One unfortunate note, the higher quality grabs reveal some new detailing on the torso armour, so we'll have to redo a little bit there. So don't go starting the 3D prints yet mate! There are also some nice shots of the paintwork and weathering that will be useful.