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Quick question to any Mando experts out there, is the jetpack identical to an existing Mandalorian jetpack, just with different markings? Or is there enough different for it to be considered unique?

I did get a DM last year on the main Legion boards which I only recently realised was someone setting me up with that exact thing. So I was able to log in and change the default password, and once I know the basics I should hopefully be able to help there.

Text thread now updated with the WIP Chest Armour, Shoulder Pauldrons, Shoulder Straps and Abdominal Armour. New "detail indent" wording has been swapped in and is in purple text to highlight changes.

Okay perfect, thanks for that feedback Ryan. We'll treat the "flat" reference images as a stylistic feature of the animation and use the "detail indents" across the helmet and armour features. I'll go back over the text finalised to date and make those adjustments.

Great stuff Ryan. Unless we see more of these guys on screen in the near future, I don't think we'll get closer than that. Cheers for the extra images Brent, this has definitely been the most challenging CRL I've worked on due to the reliance we've had on non-screen references. Without yourself, Scott, and all the others chipping in here, we would have never got so far. Also, nice models in the background there 😉 That a Mark V?

Superb! Is that the full text for the CRL now finalised?

Sure thing mate, work away. We'll be caught up to the thigh text pretty soon now. We'll see if there is any more input on the torso armour before we move on to the next section.

Thanks and no, not necessarily. But if you've got some embossing or recesses worked in already then we can leave that optional. So for the helmet and armour there are always options of decals, paint, and/or embossing/recesses. Will clear up the language and apply it equally to each.

@beren88, did you eventually include some slight embossing and recesses on your helmet model? I'm thinking particularly for the details on the rear panels and the lines on the ear plates? I liked how the final renders looked, so if you did include any recesses or embossing then I am happy for us also to include them on the other armour parts, at least for basic clearance.

I'll jump ahead and fire out a draft of the related abdominal armour at the same time. My main concern is the detail in yellow about whether we allow any recessing or embossing to mark details on the armour. The references all seem to show no change in elevation, so I am not certain if we treat this as a stylisation of the animation and permit this, or whether we stay strictly faithful to the reference material and only allow paint and/or decals. This is an important question, as it also pops up with the helmet and the circle on the Upper Chest Armour. Whatever we decide on must be consistent across all three hard parts. This is the image I found most useful for the Abdominal Armor: Abdominal Armour Made from the same hard material as the rest of the armour, and painted white to match all other relevant armour. May be constructed in a clamshell front and back design, so long as the connection point is relatively seamless. Is worn so that it is overlapped by the Lower Chest Armour above it. The Lower Chest Armour curves down at the sides so that almost completely overlaps the Abdominal Armour at the rear. Two symmetrical designs are present at the front, to match reference pictures. The outer edges of each design must be aligned with the cut outs at the bottom edge of the Lower Chest Armour. The inner details are rectangular, with a semi-circular top edge that sits just below the semi-circular cut outs on the Lower Chest Plate. The inner details are split into three segments. The top and bottom segments are equal in height, each being approximately three times the height of the middle segment. These details may be painted or applied as decals. Slightly recessed or embossed lines are also acceptable.

All detail is great. We don't necessarily have to include every line and groove in basic clearance, but those can absolutely be included in Lvl2 clearance for those would want to make a kit as accurate as possible.

Chest Armour and Shoulder Pauldrons Armour is segmented with an Upper Chest Armour overlapping the Lower Chest Armour. These may be permanently fixed together, or fitted separately so long as they as attached firmly together when worn. The Upper Chest Armour also overlaps the Shoulder Pauldrons, which likewise can be permanently fixed, or able to be attached securely when worn. Armour is painted white and red to match reference images, and to match the white and red paint used on the helmet and other hard armour pieces. The front of the Upper Chest Armour has a semi-circular notch cut into the centre of the lower front edge. The red painted inverted triangle at the front covers the entirety of the shoulders and the Shoulder Pauldrons. The lower sides run from the front edge of each Shoulder Pauldron to meet at the semi-circular notch at the bottom of the Upper Chest Armour. A circular white detail with blank outline is present halfway along the lower left (as worn) side of the front triangle. This may be painted or applied as a decal. The red painted inverted triangle at the rear likewise covers the entirety of the shoulders and the Shoulder Pauldrons. However the lower sides differ from the front as they run from the lower edge of the Pauldrons down to the bottom centre of the Lower Chest Plate, not the Upper Chest Plate. Note that much of this will be hidden by the Jetpack. The Lower Chest Armour has symmetrical, twin semi-circular notches cut into the lower front edge. The notches line up with the details featured in the Abdominal Armour. The lower edge of the Lower Chest Armour curves down to the sides from a arched centre point at the front centre. The rear edge therefore sits much lower than the front, and covers almost the entirety of the Abdominal Armour underneath. The two layers of the Chest Armour may be joined in a clamshell front and back design, so long as the connection point is relatively seamless. Shoulder Straps. White painted hard armour "straps" sit on both shoulders connecting the front and back halves of the Upper Chest Armour. The material and white paint of the straps should match those of the Chest Armour.

Maybe tweaked slightly to make it slightly clearer? "The rear center of the Kama has a slit that runs from the bottom and stops a third of the way from the top."

Sorry mate, I should have told you I've already updated the "final text" thread with everything done to date. Should make it easier to find stuff next time!

Also, the way that the light is hitting that top button makes it look like there is definitely a raised bevelled edge to the buttons (the part that is catching the light at the top there). I wouldn't worry about something so picky for basic clearance, but it could be a Lvl2 detail.

Yeah, in one of the captures it does look like the second bottom is there alright. The bottom one is a little harder to see than the one higher up on the right, but I think that's just the lighting. It looks like it mirrors it exactly to me. Plus I'd like to think that the Empire was catering for left and right handed troopers equally 😄

I'll work on the exact CRL wording for both front and back torso plates later, but for now, is the following how everyone else is also seeing this? For the back plate: - The upper chest plate continues around the back at the same level as at the front. The red arrow painted on is a little thicker than it is at the front. The back arrow extends down to the bottom of the lower chest plate, while the point of the front arrow ends at the bottom of the upper chest plate. - The lower chest plate curves down around the sides so that it sits much lower at the back, almost completely covering the rear part of the abdominal plate. There are no cut outs on the bottom edge as seen on the front of the plate. - The abdominal plate has so little showing of it at the rear that we can only really say that it mirrors what we see at the front (minus the greeblies).

The kama was one that I reviewed myself at the end of the discussion and was happy with, but it would definitely be worth having @IcyTrooperor @Dropkickcast an eye over it just to make sure the wording is consistent and that we didn't miss anything obvious.

Good spot on the gap. It looks very much like the Inferno armour, where a small plate joins the front and back. Elastic, fabric, armour plate or rubber could all be treated as acceptable options for base clearance so long as the visual effect is the same. If we have confirmation of what material was used on set, that could go into Lvl2. Regarding the lights, most costumes will tend to leave those as Lvl2 details even if they are lit up on screen. I think as much as anything that this is to keep kits accessible (builders might be put off by the electronics). So I'd be happy to put the red lit up LED into Lvl2, and simply state that the appearance of an LED must be present for base clearance. This is consistent with how we dealt with the LEDs on the helmet.

Nice additions, I like it 👌

I like those improvements Ryan, looks great to me. Fair play on continuing to fly through those last few parts folks. I've now updated the finalised CRL text thread to include everything completed to date.

Master CRL thread now updated with completed text. Much of the hard work is now done! Remaining pieces to confirm are as below: Hand Plates Gloves Chest Armor Back Armor Backpack Abdomen Armor Cod Armor Posterior Armor Belt Thermal Detonator Thigh Armor Knee Armor Lower Leg Armor DC-15S Blaster DC-15A Blaster

Forearm Armor Painted gloss black. Armor is a two-piece design with a top and bottom. Armor is joined together with visible seams on both sides Both left and right forearms are mirror images of each other. Right forearm has a compad with 8 small buttons and 1 large main button. A second slightly smaller rectangular button sits centered on the main compad. Compad placement matches reference photos. Forearm tops have a flattened triangular area with a ridge that comes to a point at the top center of the forearm.

A fair point. Perhaps we can specific that it is positioned as per the reference photos?

Do you mean using magnets in the lower potions of the plate under the arms? Unless the armour was very thick it might be difficult to find strong enough magnets that fit in the edge. It would be an elegant solution if you can make it work, but I could imagine it being extremely difficult. For the CRL we can leave the attachment method open anyway. Simple nylon webbing or velcro straps might do the job for many people.