Imperial Army Trooper - Andor - CRL Discussion

**Blackwatch[CMD-DCA]** · February 1, 2023

I will add the text for the pill shaped indentation on top of the belt box in the final text on the first page.

We would need a good, clear, cropped shot of the box with the pill indentation for the belt box.

here is the proposed final text for the blaster. Please review. Once you guys give me the big thumbs up, Ill post this to the first post for Detachment and LMO review.

I will change the text in this final proposal to reflect the shorter buttstock.

Change Log 2.2 (FINAL)

E-10.5 Blaster

Based on a real or replica Sterling sub-machine gun, scratch-built, cast, 3D print or a modified commercial toy Stormtrooper blaster.

The magazine is longer than Original Trilogy blasters.

Power Cylinders shall be mounted on top of the magazine well. R1 style power cylinders are preferred over ANH style.

A sliding stock is mounted on the endcap of the Blaster. The retractable feature need not function.

A Sling may be attached on one or two points of the Blaster.

3D printed blasters can not contain visible print lines and must be sanded smooth for a more realistic appearance.

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):

Blaster shall be based on a real or replica S&T Sterling L2A1 AEG Airsoft Gun. (Folding Stock does not need to function) If an Airsoft Sterling is used, it must not function.

Grip assembly and blaster dimensions are based on an S&T Airsoft sterling.

The recessed strip behind the bolt may be hollow, filled or partially filled.

Scope shall be a real or replica M.H.R. (Minneapolis Honeywell Regulator Co.) 1943 model M38 Telescope.

Counter shall be a real or replica Hengstler 400 Series counter with small eagle logo. Large eagle logo is not allowed.

A grille shaped detail piece is attached on top of the Magazine. It features 8 slots.

6 rows of T-Tracks cover the Sterling receiver holes except for the lower left row with the bayonet lug.

A sling swivel may be fitted near the muzzle, on the same lower left row as the bayonet lug.

A 3-Slot Picatinny rail is fitted on the row above the bayonet lug. The rail is affixed with two screws. The screws do not interfere with the rail slots.

A sling swivel is fitted underneath the stock extension.

If a sling is attached, it is made of webbing and uses snap hook buckles. The sling is attached to the swivel underneath the stock.

The stock is modelled after a 416C pattern. The buttplate on the stock may not be ribbed and has a pill shaped greeblie having three openings fitted. Two of the holes are circular, the central is rectangular.

The buttstock matches the size and shape of those seen on screen, being shorter overall than other Rogue One era buttstocks.

**Detaleader[501st]** · February 1, 2023

2 hours ago, Blackwatch said:

The buttstock matches the size and shape of those seen on screen, being shorter overall than other Rogue One era buttstocks.

I don't think adding this line makes a lot of sense, considering it's the exact same type of stock used on the Mudtrooper E-10.

It's a different Buttpad from the Death Trooper's E-11D, but since that weapon is effectively so different, I don't think it'd make much sense to add it as a point of comparison.

The Range Trooper E-10R also has the same style of buttpad as the E-10.5 or the E-10. All the same configurations really.

Example: Note how the bust from 2020 even has the same greeblie on the back of the stock?

"The buttstock matches the size and shape of those seen on screen" might as well be a Level 1 line. The comparison should be deleted imo.

**Blackwatch[CMD-DCA]** · February 1, 2023

In the end , we have to have both a text and photo description for GMLS who are not familiar with all the different versions of the multitude of weapons listed in CRLs. . I can change the line, but i the end, does that help the GML who will have to approve it? Ive been a GML and had to work my way through a lot of vague descriptions.

Ill wait for futher input before I proceed.

**IcyTrooper[CMD-DL]** · February 2, 2023

We need to do our due diligence in helping out GMLs the best that we can with the CRL. Will we ever get everything perfect? No, but we can try. If we are using text such as "like in [movie name] or [screen/show/etc.]" then we should probably at a minimum have a gallery reference that displays a picture and/or a forum reference.

I also want to reiterate that if we are going to have it as an optional accessory, as blasters are, we will need someone to actually build it.

As far as the blaster currently goes, we can eliminate the text about 3D print lines (and in other parts as well). We have a blanket statement at the start of the CRL about 3D printing and removing artifacts: "3D Printed parts are permitted but all print lines and other artifacts must be removed." That was introduced with either the DT or Sith Trooper, if I remember correctly.

**sonfield[TX]** · February 2, 2023

I used the latest butt stock that Chris designed. it seems pretty damn close..

quick video of it.

**BigJasoni[TX]** · February 2, 2023

On 2/1/2023 at 12:46 PM, Detaleader said:

I don't think adding this line makes a lot of sense, considering it's the exact same type of stock used on the Mudtrooper E-10.

It's a different Buttpad from the Death Trooper's E-11D, but since that weapon is effectively so different, I don't think it'd make much sense to add it as a point of comparison.

The Range Trooper E-10R also has the same style of buttpad as the E-10.5 or the E-10. All the same configurations really.

Example: Note how the bust from 2020 even has the same greeblie on the back of the stock?

"The buttstock matches the size and shape of those seen on screen" might as well be a Level 1 line. The comparison should be deleted imo.

I leave for a couple days and the post grows two pages... Lol.

@Detaleader, great call on the range trooper. You're correct that this is the same butt stock used on the Muddy's E-10, but unfortunately, it's been badly overlooked and we don't want the same mistake happening again. Case in point: here's the picture from the Muddy CRL which shows the shorter, incorrect butt:

That is the correct butt plate for the Deathtrooper, but makers overlooked this when making pretty much every available E-10 out there. My point in bringing it up was to illustrate that we need to ensure we're carrying the one that matches the references.

Here's another pic of the Range Trooper stock:

So again, we have the longer butt plate, but something else worth noting is the distinct shape of the butt which is actually annotated better in the Range Trooper since the plate's a different color. Even Chris noticed this a few nights ago after Justin and I both printed the new butt stock. Take a look at the Aldhani trooper in the upper right corner of my SBS pic and then the larger picture below that Cris sent me:

So, unlike the upper real stock in my SBS picture, we see that the ones used by the Aldhani, Range, and Mud Trooper appear to be a two part construction, or something similar.

So, we got it wrong with the Mudtrooper CRL picture. Nothing egregious, and the blaster in the CRL is a fine piece which I believe is Sean Fields' design, but that stock is definitely wrong. So, I would argue that the verbiage should remain, or both CRLs be changed to reflect the correct application as shown on screen.

3 hours ago, sonfield said:

I used the latest butt stock that Chris designed. it seems pretty damn close..

I agree Justin... pretty damn close and you did an awesome job on the finish work. However, Chris is the one who pointed out the "two part construction" to me, so I'm sure he's already working on a v3. Lol.

I'll hit him up in the morning, but in the meantime... let's warm up our printers.

**Detaleader[501st]** · February 3, 2023

15 hours ago, BigJasoni said:

So, unlike the upper real stock in my SBS picture, we see that the ones used by the Aldhani, Range, and Mud Trooper appear to be a two part construction, or something similar.

So, I would argue that the verbiage should remain, or both CRLs be changed to reflect the correct application as shown on screen.

I thought that's what I had expressed a couple of posts back, but I suppose I could have been clearer. Sorry about that!

On 1/27/2023 at 5:55 AM, Detaleader said:

Since the E-10 and E-11 stock pads have the greeblie and no ribbing on it, you'd probably need a custom butt pad anyway, so I don't think it'd be too much of an issue. This is very much a difference in the real piece, but since we gotta change it up for Star Wars anyway, I don't think it'll matter too much.

**sonfield[TX]** · February 3, 2023

Happy to print it up at once and swap out for CRL pic!

**Bozzy[501st]** · February 3, 2023

Working on a new butt file for E10s (sorry it's what ive called it)

**BigJasoni[TX]** · February 3, 2023

I'm printing it right now. Thanks again Chris!

**BigJasoni[TX]** · February 4, 2023

Ugh...

Ok. With wind chill, it's going to be single digits tomorrow. So even in my makeshift garage "paint booth," even with the space heater, my guess is that it'll get up to around 20 degrees. So, no painting until Sunday at least.

Regardless, I got my soft parts from Jim Tripon today so I can at least give people a glimpse at what his look like. Please forgive the poor lighting:

Overall, I'm pretty happy with them, but I probably could have made everything myself; it's a very simple design.

Next, I just pulled the new butt plate off the printer and I think we've got a pretty solid design. Thanks again Chris:

Anyways, I'll be waiting for warmer weather so I can jump on this. @sonfield can't be the only person having all the fun. 😆

**Blackwatch[CMD-DCA]** · February 6, 2023

I think its going to be easier/ clearer if you guys that know the clear cut differences in this stock give us a description or text for the CRL.

@BigJasoni are you printing in resin? your layer lines are super faint.

@IcyTrooper ill pull the 3d print line.

I work at a metro airport and I found what I believe is the buttstock greeblie on the ground last week. I believe its a zipper pull. There are thousands of them on the ground here, I pick them up all day long when they get torn off the luggage after the bag smashers get done with their work smashing bags. I was rushing between planes and didnt have a chance to get a pic of it.

We need two or three good photos of the blaster, a top view would be very helpful and someone fully suited up in both configurations, with hat, with helmet and someone fully suited up in just the soft parts with the hat. We do full gallery views for our CRLs and we will need photos of everything for the Gallery.

Going back to edit mode, Change log 2.3. Can someone provide text that will clearly capture the intent of what the stock should look like?

Change Log 2.3