Blackwatch

HI Chris welcome, im elbows deep in my own Del, and I wrote the CRL. So, with an Iden here who has literally BEGGED me to be her Del, I guess "were getting a Del!" I got Pilotbays new armor molds so I dont have anything printed for this build other than the special buckle half for the tacvest. Im not sure what Im looking at with that first link. That is Mudtrooper/ ICAT/ Security trooper style armor with a box setup on the back like we see on all those mentioned costumes. The actual chest for Del is modified TX armor like our shadowtroopers wear, but sligttly differnt, Looking at the armor over on Cgtrader the typical Tk belt is hask / iden style not Del. The scout style belt Del uses is smaller than a typical scout belt and the end boxes are a different shape. A standard Scout belt may be used for basic approval, but the smaller, specific belt is needed for L2. The Etsy file doesnt look too bad for the belt, but the boxes are very tall. Id be temped to print them at reduced hieght, slice off te belt part and bond it all to a new abs "belt" that way you have the hieght. The drop box is smaller than normal, and it has a bit curved cutout at the top edg, and is backed/ closed up but you can do that with sign plastic the helmet is smallre and rounder. its a specific shape. A R1 style TIE helmet will suffice for basic approval and we wrote the CRL that way but the game helmet is small. Im a TIE, have been since day 1 and Im also an ATAT driver, (same helmet) and they are huge. this new helmet I got is so tight it tears my ears off and my eyelashes touch the lens, so per the game model its a small helmet. For me, the last few weeks have been a suit search. Per the CRL and per all the references we worked from writing the CRL the suit is stiff and heavy cotton canvas with the nubs in the weave. The closest canvas I have found that meets this is heavy sail canvas , like the stuff Rothco uses for those parachute bags or for old military vintage tool/ gun cleaning bags. I ordered a Jim Tripon siut last night,and i asked for special mods in the suit to shoot for L2 approval. ill review it once I get it. Today I held my freinds Iden suit from Wampawear, and its soft, light and has a very soft drape and hand- definitely not the heavy structured suit we would look for for Level 2 approval. I have not seen/held a Crowprops suit or HerotecX suit so I cant comment. I am working on updating the Del vendor list and have already made some changes to it. It had been a few years and an update was due. Im looking forward to your progress!

yeah so I ran it as both a MM size (massive) and inch size (micro) . Odd! also Ive just spent the last hour looking for MP 40 pouches. green grey khaki and blue are common, but no black. Have you sourced yours?

ok,wow thats great and thank you for that! I had one I printed split right at that split line. Im going to run this file tonight. TYVM! update- when ipulled it into Slic3r it didnt know what size to make it. I converted it to MM and its printing about 50 % on and 50% off the bed. Each tile stands about a foot tall. im going to empty the build plate and load the files again.

only took ours , what 8 YEARS!

hard to say. honestly been buying warhammer figures on Etsy lately, resin prints and the shop is in Ukraine. Takes a few weeks to get them but quality is superb.

as a Del builder I really appreciate the work you put into this file. The latest version with the open slots really sells it. Well done and thank you.

ok so i ran the file in extra draft mode with a .6 nozzle on my E3 using cheap pla at fairly high speed. here are the reference bits: our CRL gallery reference , likley using Hyperspace Props offereing : and my result printed at 100% Ill run it at home on my Bambu in black and see how it looks that way. Im sure it will look better. I would love feedback on this.

thanks Mike I can run this on my printer here at work

congratulations!

black base would be fine. Not sure what wire / fin paint you are referring to.

very cool paint! cant wait to see this come together.

as a model builder the paint you have is very German wwii tricolor with the armor yellow redbrown and olive green. Great effect for that for wwII tanks (painted in the feild after delivery in yellow uusually) The camo is quite blended and jagged. Id consider using soft masks if I was planning on it.

watchinng your progress Ill be working with Pilotbay on my canvas suit next january since the WW is a bit too "soft" for L2 clearance. Looking at your pad, ive printed a copule and that file has issues, but its wht we have and I dont know of another file. its split to fit on very small print beds (its a commpad, cmon even an Ender can print one full size)

here is a topic that should help with that. Clear your boots with your GML. That will be up to the GML for basic, but for L2 which I highly suggest, only 8" tall boots will be approved. For the holster you can do green nylon or black leather or painted green leather. Mine is painted green leather. You do not see the holstr too much but I do see one on the left. Again, that will be a GML call for basic approval. for L1 that is up to your GML. I would suggest one color since that is how the art is presented and what I wll expect for L2 approval. All of our L2 approvals are sprayed the same color. Just as Stormtroopers and their gear is white, our gear is issued to us green, as are the Andor and Ferrix IATS that are otherwise uniform in color with the exception of the belt parts. What we do not want to see is a group of IATS and eveyrone looks different. That should never be the case especially in the situation where a unit draws from a sole source supplier. All my gear with the exception of the coverall is sprayed Montana Gold Olive Green.

ok- so, total crap print on my old Ender thats not in the least dialed in. let me throw this on the Bambu tonight as well. This is 90%. Im thinking of brining it down to about 87% on the Bambu.

im running it on my old project Ender in PETG. I sized it down to 90% as a test.

Updated for December 2024. We need a solid resource for IAT patches and for green covealls. Continue to search Amazon/ Ebay for boots, they are out there!

i got mine from Crow in Ecuador but getting them was a nightmare and they are too loose. I wont be ordering there again. not sure what I will do, no one else makes boots THAT big, custom at other plces tops out at 11 medium.

man you are SOOOOOO lucky... mine got held / detained by DHL they put me on some terrorismn watch list, I had to send ULTRA high quality scans of my drivers license to the guy in Portugal that ws handling my case. I had a garrison mate look all this up- i was way too angry. She confirmed its a real thing and if you fall through the cracks as i did you get put on DHLs worldwide block list. Took a few weeks to clear it up but I finally got my boots and they are VERY loose!

Thank you Jef!! ok, lemme go print one of these out. Once I get my printers working. i have heads off of three of them! GRR. Parts on order......🤔

following up , ive been off forum for a while. we do need to circle back but the last two, two and a half years have been consumed with Andor and the security troopers. Develoing CRLs alsmost becomes a full time job. for a straightforward IImperial Army Trooper we used a lot of off the shelf resources, and those real word resources change. Either for fashion/style reasons or for production/ need reasons The coveralls I used were Elbeco / Los Angeles Sherrifs Dept covealls, which LASO no longer uses, so the company stopped making them. you listed a CDCR suit, im sure it the same I have but I didnt pay nearly that much for mine from Elbeco but that was several years ago. I do the reviews for the Specialists and I have not knocked anyone back for pocket shape since I have BSG style pockets and Im L2. Another option is dying a pair of regular covealls and adding pocket flaps from fabric. Walt still makes all the trooper helmets as far as I know, as does intergalactic supply, whom i reviewed in the forums here. Theres lots of vendors on etsy makeing code disks, i was on there last night. Another option is to print your own especially if you have a resin printer. If you match the setup on the CRL photo, you will never be wrong. We will also be looking to replace all those photos once we get a new CRL model photographed. I will be looking for long straps to be removed and no buckles showing for L2 approval. Nothing like that shows in the source art. Im not a huge fan of that big triple pouch but we have allowed it. i am in talks with WampaWear to make coveeralls but that is a VERY long term goal Once prototypes are made at the facotry and you go through several rounds of getting the product right, you place your oroder for your run, and wait your turn on the facotry floor I have a history working with WW on this, and know this routine all too well I have spoken within the week to HeroTecX. They have suspended orders until March 2025 to cath up on product. Wampa makes the hat in olive green, its made of suiting so its going to match their green tunics and jodpurs. You may talk to 20eyesdesign on Etsy shes made me a on of stuff in the past She does not offer them in green , but its worth talkign to her and see if she can do it. The boots have been an ongoing issue. That style of boot fell out of favor and was decorated up with a ton of stitching to appeal to the public. Talk to your GML to see if they would be willing accept a pair of simple engineer boots with round toe cut down to the correct 8 inches for IAT. Im kind of getting lost in the back and forth as you describe differnet costumes, so bear with me as I sort through this a seperate WIP for each would make tracking much simpler. You mention Andor. The IAT and the IAT / Andor series costumes are completely different. I do not have a Andor costume, so my build is Imperial Army Trooper ONLY, not the Andor/ Aldhani version. regarding additions, we only recognize items that were seen used in the series. There has been discussion of a rewrite, but thats going to take pivoting our (my) resources to that for an extended length of time as we deep dive and investigate each and sort it out in a CRL rewrite discussion. Im going to go edit the resource list. Real world resources not specifically used by costume communites come and go.

the bottom link isnt working. The colors are all over the place, super common in star wars and pretty much all film franchises. Thats why we need to pick a color and stick to it . The yavin hangar scene had two sets of troopers wearing tan coveralls but due to lighting they appear both tan AND grey int he same shot literally 8 feet apart. In the RL we called it the great grey/tan debate until we found out what color they actuallly were when a real one was found. every bit of reference we have is posted to the crl creation topic. There are websites such as starwarscreencaps.com where most fo those were harvested from, as well as people capping them off their own monitors.

November 24 update I have been in contact with Wamawear who has a long history of proviing acceptable flightsuits to the clubs. I have worked with the owner for years on his product line, and I have the "first made" on a bunch of his stuff. He has been provided fabric samples for color, texture and weave, as well as correct pocket and collar layout. This is not a quick process to get things into production, but in time we will have both black and green coveralls avaialble for ordering.

Going back to this original question, for L2 I would want a strip of fabric covering the original button holes. L1 approval with visible button holes would be up to the GML. I have been on the line with Wampawear this morning to get the olive green (and black) Army coveralls started, but that WILL take time, and a factory time allotment, plus shpping time from overseas. Anyone who has watched the Wampa prototyping/ manufacturing/shipping process knows that this is not quick.

oh you meant the rim that goes all the way around it. Ive used rubber stripping on my other similar helmets in the past (ATST, Army trooper, Sapper, Veers)