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yeah I beleive we can close this section up pretty quick and will do the shoulders and Biceps at once.

Here is the back. One difference I see is that I do not note the loop of elatic / webbing on the back between the hose connectors. This one is fairly simple. Back Armor Back plate is painted to match the chest armor and helmet. Back plate has a collar that extends upwards and tapers to the chest plate. Chest and back plate meet at the sides. The backplate features painted details that vary from trooper to trooper. Acceptable colors for these details are either silver or gunmetal, but one color must be chosen. Mix and match of the detail items is not permitted. There are 2 hose connectors located at the top of the back plate approximately centered above each rectangular cut out/greeblie. Hose connecters are painted to match the strap raised slot, strap buckle, and recessed box color. Back has two large cut out recesses with vent details and greeblies inside, all painted silver or gunmetal. The silver or gunmetal paint does not leave the edge of the box opening. The vents at the top of the boxes may have the openings darkened with weathering. Four raised bars approximately .375" (10mm) long aligned to the top of the recessed box opening may be present. Each recess has different and specific set of boxes inside that are painted to match the recessed box color. Light weathering is permitted. Bottom left features a smaller rectangle cut out with the left side stepped. Half circle indent detail beneath the backpack section must be present. There is a long thin raised greeblie positioned central and below the 2 large recesses. There is a small raised circle greeblie positioned central and below the above named greeblie. There is a raised slot on each shoulder for the straps to fit into. The raised slots are painted either silver or gunmetal grey. Shoulder straps are black and are affixed to the chest plate at the buckle. The chest buckle shall match the raised slot color. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): The hose fittings are angled forward. There is a recessed hole approximately .31" (7.8mm) above the top left corner of the left recessed box. There are two indented squares approximately 1⁄4" x 1⁄4" (5mm x 5mm) aligned vertically above the right upper corner of the left recessed box.

its been a few days so Im going to wrap this up. V1.2 (final) Chest Armor Chest armor matches visual references being accurate in shape and design. The join between the chest and back armor are created by an angled sweep starting at the bottom of the chest armor and finishing at the bottom of the back armor. This may be held closed with magnets, velcro or other hidden fastener. There is an indented area around the outer edge of the center flat section. Buckles attach to upper chest plate and match the armor color. Shoulder straps are affixed to the chest plate at the buckle. The shoulder strap is black. It is permitted to be made of cast flexible urethane or other flexible material. To the lower left side of the center flat panel is a recessed area angled inward from bottom to top with a raised rectangle greeblie and a recessed horizontal elongated oval. Left of the recessed area is a raised square that extends from the center to the curved side of the armor. On the top left side of the raised area is a raised oblong detail that protrudes outwards. Chest shall be painted to match helmet and back armor. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): Buckles have black recess on upper narrow section and the lower recess shall expose the chest armor. Buckles may have silver paint chipping showing gunmetal underneath the silver.

Thanks for indulging me and this was the content I wanted. I knew that If *I* was seeing it, others will and just like what happened last time with the Aldhani troopers on the day the CRL goes live someone will come up with "BUT YOU DIDNT DISCUSS XX". I wanted to get that cleared out ahead of time. We have a line in the existing CRL that the armor needs to be accurate in both shape and design- it will be up to the maker to follow that guideline, and for the costume builder to either find a suitable design, or print their own from a file that has the correct shape. Agree on the bicep. I was talking to Andy over at the BHG the other day about the biceps for other costumes and this split clamshell design, and the craziness that it is leading us towerds. Thats going to be a discussion that we will need to take a bit of time on. V1.2 Chest Armor Chest armor matches visual references being accurate in shape and design. The join between the chest and back armor are created by an angled sweep starting at the bottom of the chest armor and finishing at the bottom of the back armor. This may be held closed with magnets, velcro or other hidden fastener. There is an indented area around the outer edge of the center flat section. Buckles attach to upper chest plate and match the armor color. Buckles are gunmetal or silver with black recesses. Shoulder straps are affixed to the chest plate at the buckle. The shoulder strap is black. It is permitted to be made of cast flexible urethane or other flexible material. To the lower left side of the center flat panel is a recessed area angled inward from bottom to top with a raised rectangle greeblie and a recessed horizontal elongated oval. The recessed area is painted medium grey. The elongated oval is painted Humbrol Eed #19, or equivalent. The raised rectangle greeblie is painted silver or light grey. Left of the recessed area is a raised square that extends from the center to the curved side of the armor. A white or silver rectangle is present on this raised square. On the top left side of the raised area is a raised oblong detail that protrudes outwards. Chest shall be painted to match helmet and back armor. a very dark grey. Greenish undertones in certain lighting conditions is acceptable. An acceptable range of colors include RLM 70 to Sherwin Williams SW6994 Greenblack, or equivalent. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): Buckles have black recess on upper narrow section and the lower recess shall expose the chest armor. Buckles may have silver paint chipping showing gunmetal underneath the silver.

Hello troopers Apologies for my absences. My work schedule is on call 24/7. Multi-state road trips are a thing, and they are happening more and more frequently with only two people to cover the entire Gulf South. I realy desperately need a third person here. Optional weathering-optional. "Parts may be weathered to depict on screen appearance" On the grey inset this is what Im seein, and if Im seeing it others are too, so I want to explore this. This is a deep inset, and if painted black should remain in shadow, not as a highlight.

Thanks Ryan my work schedule prevents me from getting into the forums nearly as much as I used to. Ryan is correct, and when you submit for specialist application, you are going to submit more, and more detailed photos. Basic approval is just that, the basic four pics front back left right. for Specialist aplication Im going to want all of those, plus closeups of the pouchs, glove backs, helmet and an action shot that will go onto the trading card images.

I find this interesting, fascinating, intriquing, and would love to redo my ICAT Biceps. We will definitely cover this more in depth once we get the back completed.

i have the cuff pouches all over my rigs, and the pistol pouch , while the right shape, is a bit small since its a pistol pouch. Try this one in instead: https://tacticalgear.com/condor-triple-m4-mag-pouch-od-green?utm_source=bing&utm_medium=cpc&utm_term=&utm_campaign=bingads&ft=e3f7bec5-8df6-438f-88ce-592a9bedc97a&msclkid=7b17c10b94221e8ec806a5ad794090e5&utm_content=condor#/22497/848/1&dl=b&catr=1 your GML may approve the keyring puch but Im not keen on it for L2 aproval and we want everyone L2 approved. something similar to a SAW pouch would be perfect. https://tacticalgear.com/condor-triple-m4-mag-pouch-od-green?utm_source=bing&utm_medium=cpc&utm_term=&utm_campaign=bingads&ft=e3f7bec5-8df6-438f-88ce-592a9bedc97a&msclkid=7b17c10b94221e8ec806a5ad794090e5&utm_content=condor#/22497/848/1&dl=b&catr=1 You shoiuld be painting all the pouches and belt the same color anyway so it will all match color wise.

I think for simplicity we can word it to allow for flex and a gap at even L1 since its seen on screen. I printed out my ICAT files from mudtrooper I dont remember if those were your remixes or Seans originals but they were one piece and fit me fine. ok , so lets have a go at this. I am altering the text for the recessed and raised blocks on the armor left chest since this is different than what we see on Aldhani. V1.1 Chest Armor Chest armor matches visual references being accurate in shape and design. The join between the chest and back armor are created by an angled sweep starting at the bottom of the chest armor and finishing at the bottom of the back armor. This may be held closed with magnets, velcro or other hidden fastener. There is an indented area around the outer edge of the center flat section. Buckles attach to upper chest plate and match the armor color. Buckles are gunmetal or silver with black recesses. Shoulder straps are affixed to the chest plate at the buckle. The shoulder strap is black. It is permitted to be made of cast flexible urethane or other flexible material. To the lower left side of the center flat panel is a recessed area angled inward from bottom to top with a raised rectangle greeblie and a recessed horizontal elongated oval. The recessed area is painted medium grey. The elongated oval is painted Humbrol Eed #19, or equivalent. The raised rectangle greeblie is painted silver or light grey. Left of the recessed area is a raised square that extends from the center to the curved side of the armor. A white or silver rectangle is present on this raised square. On the top left side of the raised area is a raised oblong detail that protrudes outwards. Chest shall be painted to match helmet and back armor. a very dark grey. Greenish undertones in certain lighting conditions is acceptable. An acceptable range of colors include RLM 70 to Sherwin Williams SW6994 Greenblack, or equivalent. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): Buckles have black recess on upper narrow section and the lower recess shall expose the chest armor. Buckles may have silver paint chipping showing gunmetal underneath the silver.

I always understood the lower curves to line up, like with magnets to keep them more or less aligned. Ive not paid any attention to shoretroopers, we dont have any here so Ive never made the connection that the back is similar in appearance to our Endor and mudtroopers. We can write is so that the curved join is stated. One thing I note in the photos especially the one at the bottom that you lightened is that the bicep is open at the back, like we saw in Mandelorian with the new Pretorian Guards. Fabric on the arm is clearly visible, and here the shirt fabric is sticking out.

This is like the most boring, classic 80s movies black-on-black-on-black-on black "BAD GOVERNMENT AGENCY" bad guy costume ever. There's just no color. I do see a slight sheen on the shoulderstraps and I believe thats because they are cast flexible rubber like what we wear. I may be wrong but thats my guess. My cast rubber straps look like that. Anthracite seems like a good call for those that can get it, otherwis, flat black. The inset on the chest looks grey.

Moving off of textiles lets look at armor. The chest is the next piece, then we can discuss the back once the chest is nailed down. Proposal V1.0 Chest Armor — Version Two Chest armor matches visual references being accurate in shape and design. There is an indented area around the outer edge of the center flat section. Buckles attach to upper chest plate. Buckles are gunmetal or silver with black recesses. Shoulder straps are affixed to the chest plate at the buckle. The shoulder strap is black. It is permitted to be made of cast flexible urethane or other flexible material. To the lower left side of the center flat panel is a recessed area angled inward from bottom to top with a raised rectangle greeblie and a recessed horizontal elongated oval. The elongated oval is painted Humbrol Eed #19, or equivalent. The raised rectangle greeblie is painted silver or light grey. Left of the recessed area is a raised square that extends from the center to the curved side of the armor. A white or silver rectangle is present on this raised square. On the top left side of the raised area is a raised oblong detail that protrudes outwards. Chest shall be painted a very dark grey. Greenish undertones in certain lighting conditions is acceptable. An acceptable range of colors include RLM 70 to Sherwin Williams SW6994 Greenblack, or equivalent. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): Buckles have black recess on upper narrow section and the lower recess shall expose the chest armor. Buckles may have silver paint chipping showing gunmetal underneath the silver.

Its been a vew days with no further comment so Im going to clear and lock the tunic and pants as proposed. V1.2 (FINAL) Tunic A long-sleeved, black jacket that falls just to mid-thigh, with no visible zippers or buttons. Fabric is a plain weave cotton similar to duck canvas. Has a high mandarin style collar with a left-over-right closure that rises from the front of the tunic. The front closure overlaps left over right and rises from the hem at the bottom of the tunic to the top of the collar. Four rectangular pockets are present on the jacket front, covered by large flapped closures. Lower pockets are larger than the ones on the upper chest. Lower pocket seams rest on the same seam as the end of the tunic The rear of the jacket has a horizontal seam present near the upper back. Two vertical seams start below the horizontal upper back seam moving down the bottom of the jacket. Two black tunic hooks to hold the belt in place are permitted. If used, the hooks will pass from the inside of the tunic to the outside through holes on either side of the tunic at the hip. The belt covers the holes. One pocket is present on each arm of the jacket, each covered by large flapped closures. The top of the arm pocket flaps are in line with the top edge of the chest pockets. Cuffs on the sleeves are about mid-distance to the elbow. The material folds back on itself to form the cuff. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): The front jacket flap will have rectangular stitch marks with a stitched X inside where velcro is attached to keep the flap closed. Fabric has the appearance of waxed canvas or oilskin fabric. If left arm rank bars are present, the black fabric should be similar to duvetyn type of fabric and will have 3 equidistant horizontal stitch lines through each rank bar. Trousers: Black pants matching the tunic and hat in color, type and weave. There are no visible pockets. Trousers feature a long reinforcement panel on the front of the leg from mid thigh to below the knee. This panel is double row stitched. It does not extend to the side seams of the trouser leg. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable)

that paint IS gritty. its the right color but I dont like MG. Its also expensive and hard to find. So, yeah. if the other coverall matches carve it up to make new pockets for the legs and a new flap for the chest, because you dont want to undersize the leg pockets. Remmember that you want the leg pockets stuffed for L2 approval (which you want) so you want a bigger pocket. Once you have it all together tromp through some mud and weather the boots. The grit will hold the mud.

hey guys Im back in the forum again. Yeah I agree ive watched and rewated that scene and I just dont see anything like a rank bar on any armor or on any shoulder. Ill delete all references to it. The reinforcement patch is longer than mudtrooper and ICAT drivers, I made my pants and they stop on my thigh. This appears to start on the thigh and falls just below the kneecap stopping at or just above the shin armor, it will vary per person and how the shin armor moves, but the line of where it starts on that cap shows pretty clearly that it starts at the middle of the thigh. The bunching around the kneecap is very distinctive. We already have it written starting at the mid thigh and ending below the knee, and the way we have it worded is that it is double stiched. So, with the ICAT thats written to be two panels on top off each other, but I only see the one panel here. V1.2 Tunic A long-sleeved, olive green black jacket that falls just to mid-thigh, with no visible zippers or buttons. Fabric has a denim textured material with a visible weave. is a plain weave cotton fabric similar to duck canvas. Has a high mandarin style collar with a left-over-right closure that rises from the front of the tunic. The front closure overlaps left over right and rises from the hem at the bottom of the tunic to the top of the collar. Four rectangular pockets are present on the jacket front, covered by large flapped closures. Lower pockets are larger than the ones on the upper chest. Lower pocket seams rest on the same seam as the end of the tunic The rear of the jacket has a horizontal seam present near the upper back. Two vertical seams start below the horizontal upper back seam moving down the bottom of the jacket. Two black tunic hooks to hold the belt in place are permitted. If used, the hooks will pass from the inside of the tunic to the outside through holes on either side of the tunic at the hip. The belt covers the holes. One pocket is present on each arm of the jacket, each covered by large flapped closures. The top of the arm pocket flaps are in line with the top edge of the chest pockets. Above the left arm pocket flap, up to 2 black fabric rank bars may be present. (IS THIS CORRECT ?) Cuffs on the sleeves are about mid-distance to the elbow. The material folds back on itself to form the cuff. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): The front jacket flap will have rectangular stitch marks with a stitched X inside where velcro is attached to keep the flap closed. Fabric has the appearance of waxed canvas or oilskin fabric. If left arm rank bars are present, the black fabric should be similar to duvetyn type of fabric and will have 3 equidistant horizontal stitch lines through each rank bar. Trousers: Olive green black pants matching the tunic and hat in color, type and weave. Fabric is a denim textured material with a visible weave. There are no visible pockets. Trousers feature a long reinforcement panel on the front of the leg from mid thigh to below the knee. This panel is double row stitched. It does not extend to the side seams of the trouser leg. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable)

Patrica Im getting back into the forums, its been a few days. Glad to see you moving for Specialist.

Hey everyone. let me first apologize for being absent for so long. With the nature of my business I get sent no-notice TDY duty to other areas of the country, and thats what happened. With the type of work I do (onsite aircraft maintenance) I can literally be on an airplane up to 16 hours a day working on it then go drive to the hotel to rest, which generally means doing a fwe hours of paperwork. I even had to buy a laptop on this last trip to try to keep up with all the paperwork I was generating. With that, let me catch up to where we are. Im on board with making the recommended change to the text to include the waxed fabric for L2. I have zero experience with this or what it would actually look like, but I do have some black fabric that looks nasty after I run the sewing machine presser foot over it. I have reviewed the scene many times and cannot see the fabric rank bars on the left arm. Most troopers have the arm armor, but maybe someone with a higher defintion monitor can find it , if it exists on the black uniform. SO, that said here are the proposals for tunic and trousers. V1.1 Tunic A long-sleeved, olive green black jacket that falls just to mid-thigh, with no visible zippers or buttons. Fabric has a denim textured material with a visible weave. is a plain weave cotton fabric similar to duck canvas. Has a high mandarin style collar with a left-over-right closure that rises from the front of the tunic. The front closure overlaps left over right and rises from the hem at the bottom of the tunic to the top of the collar. Four rectangular pockets are present on the jacket front, covered by large flapped closures. Lower pockets are larger than the ones on the upper chest. Lower pocket seams rest on the same seam as the end of the tunic The rear of the jacket has a horizontal seam present near the upper back. Two vertical seams start below the horizontal upper back seam moving down the bottom of the jacket. Two black tunic hooks to hold the belt in place are permitted. If used, the hooks will pass from the inside of the tunic to the outside through holes on either side of the tunic at the hip. The belt covers the holes. One pocket is present on each arm of the jacket, each covered by large flapped closures. The top of the arm pocket flaps are in line with the top edge of the chest pockets. Above the left arm pocket flap, up to 2 black fabric rank bars may be present. (IS THIS CORRECT ?) Cuffs on the sleeves are about mid-distance to the elbow. The material folds back on itself to form the cuff. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): The front jacket flap will have rectangular stitch marks with a stitched X inside where velcro is attached to keep the flap closed. Fabric has the appearance of waxed canvas or oilskin fabric. If left arm rank bars are present, the black fabric should be similar to duvetyn type of fabric and will have 3 equidistant horizontal stitch lines through each rank bar. Trousers: Olive green black pants matching the tunic and hat in color, type and weave. Fabric is a denim textured material with a visible weave. There are no visible pockets. Trousers feature a long reinforcement panel on the front of the leg from mid thigh to below the knee. This panel is double row stitched. It does not extend to the side seams of the trouser leg. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable)

Ive been watching and rewatching the Aldhani scenes and on The Axe Forgets, and at timestamp 1548-1553 you can clearly see how the lower jacket flexes with the pocket. I glue foam slabs in my pockets to make them billow out, and thats how this fabric is behaving. There is no downward shift like there is a loose object in there. it flexes all the way around the rectangular object, as if it is fixed in place. We dont know what the costume designers are thinking or why they would do that, but you can clearly see in all well lit scenes that the pocket seam continues to the bottom and casts its own shadow. For a few minutes I thought the shadow cast by the lower pocket where the box or foam or whatever stops looks like the old M65 field jacket drawstring but it only appears in the pocket iselt not all the way around.

We determined that the pocket does actually fall to the bottom , you can also see the side seam where it falls to the bottom of the coat hem. it was originally believed that it stopped short. It almost appears to me that there is something inside the pocket making it shove out, it clearly makes a shadow cast over the rest of the pocket. Maybe there is a piece of foam or something glued in there. It clearly follows the contour of the bottom edge of whatever is in there.

My IAT had a file from thingiverse however its not very accurate. The CRL Model made his own in the time honored tradition, you can see it in TrooperPX's build thread.

You will want to read through each WIP as the fabric from each maker is discussed, however there is also this topic:

Back from an extended weekend, lets clear and lock and move on. I want to run tunic and pants concurrently since they are the same fabric and color, but they will landin the CRL in the correct order, just as the Andor Army Trooper is. Proposal: V 1.0 New text in green, altered text in amber and removed text in red strikethrough. Question for discussion: Do we ever see the fabric rank bars as seen on the green Army troopers? Tunic A long-sleeved, olive green black jacket that falls just to mid-thigh, with no visible zippers or buttons. Fabric has a denim textured material with a visible weave. Has a high mandarin style collar with a left over right closure that rises from the front of the tunic. The front closure overlaps left over right and rises from the hem at the bottom of the tunic to the top of the collar. Four rectangular pockets are present on the jacket front, covered by large flapped closures. Lower pockets are larger than the ones on the upper chest. Lower pocket seams rest on the same seam as the end of the tunic The rear of the jacket has a horizontal seam present near the upper back. Two vertical seams start below the horizontal upper back seam moving down the bottom of the jacket. Two black tunic hooks to hold the belt in place are permitted. If used, the hooks will pass from the inside of the tunic to the outside through holes on either side of the tunic at the hip. The belt covers the holes. One pocket is present on each arm of the jacket, each covered by large flapped closures. The top of the arm pocket flaps are in line with the top edge of the chest pockets. Above the left arm pocket flap, up to 2 black fabric rank bars may be present. Cuffs on the sleeves are about mid-distance to the elbow. The material folds back on itself to form the cuff. OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): If left arm rank bars are present, the black fabric should be similar to duvetyn type of fabric and will have 3 equidistant horizontal stitch lines through each rank bar. The front jacket flap will have rectangular stitch marks with a stitched X inside where the Velcro is attached to keep the flap closed. Trousers Olive green black pants matching the tunic and hat. Fabric is a denim textured material with a visible weave. There are no visible pockets. Trousers feature a long reinforcement panel on the front of the leg from mid-thigh to below the knee. This panel is double row stitched. It does not extend to the side seams of the trouser leg.

thank you! Lets leave this open for another day for input, then we can clear and lock and move on.

Glad to see you here, well get you sorted.

I agree, some are simplified. However a box of potato mashers is going to look pretty spiffy on the convention table.